News: Sandusky hopes to have downtown's name in lights

When the issue was on the table the State was going to be very specific about where they would be placed. There is no way the casino would be seasonal. It would be a year-round venture. The one up in Windsor doesn't close in the winter.

Actually, if the issue were passed in Ohio tomorrow, Cedar Fair would be in pretty good shape to be a major player in Cleveland, Sandusky and Cincinnatti.

Again, I'm not a proponent and I'm not sure Kinzel and the gang are either. I believe it has always been their position that they do not support casinos (the poltically correct answer) but if casinos WERE permitted then Cedar Point/Fair would want to be a player (the business-correct answer).
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Actually, I disagree.

Sandusky would be all year round, not seasonal. Think of the waterparks! It'd still bring in a good share of money in the winter.

Detroit Casinos? Those suck. And hell, yo have to worry about being safe or not.

I don't see Cleveland being one to get one, but maybe I am wrong.

Sure, there is Vegas, or Alantic City. But not everyone can afford a trip that far away, especially with gas nowadays. People from 4-7 hours away could come up to Sandusky. My parents usually go to Mount Pleasant Michigan or places near Chicago, but they'd most defiently go to Sandusky if we had one.

What I meant about seasonal is the business it would recieve, not if it would be open. And yes Detroit can be a mean place, but Windsor is right accross the pond. Casino's need a big base of regulars, gambling fools that have thousands of dollars to lose without it even effecting them. In a big city, you have plenty of people that could lose 10's of thousands of dollars and don't even sweat. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see that within 50 miles of Sandusky. And Cleveland would be stupid to not apply for one. But if they got a casino, I know who would be advertised on the TV this thread's about.
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901liveson***
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"thousands of dollars to lose without it even effecting them."

AFFECTING works better, 901. ;)

MrScott

CP_Obsessed_Freak1987 said:
Actually, I disagree.

Sandusky would be all year round, not seasonal. Think of the waterparks! It'd still bring in a good share of money in the winter.

Detroit Casinos? Those suck. And hell, yo have to worry about being safe or not.

I don't see Cleveland being one to get one, but maybe I am wrong.

Sure, there is Vegas, or Alantic City. But not everyone can afford a trip that far away, especially with gas nowadays. People from 4-7 hours away could come up to Sandusky. My parents usually go to Mount Pleasant Michigan or places near Chicago, but they'd most defiently go to Sandusky if we had one.

The Detroit casinos in a few years will be top of the line (though they arn't bad right now). Heck, the MGM in Detroit brings in more money than any other MGM casino in the world (except for the Vegas one)... so a few people do like it and the area where the casinos are isn't THAT bad. And heck MGM is currently building some 15+ story casino downtown, ditto for Greektown (well slighty smaller) plus there are plans for a few more casinos in the area.

Could Sandusky draw that many people if a casino did open? After all by that time it is likely Detroit will have their three big casinos (with hotels) open and one or two more in the area(there is talk of one by the airport).

First for dj; I always say that Cleveland is a bad place to visit but a great place to live.

First the cost of living is rock bottom for a region this size. With a decent house in a decent area sometimes going for under 100,000 bucks it's hard to beat.

Second the commute times here are among the best in the country.

Third all the amenities of a large city. Major league sports, top notch cultural institutions, larges theater district outside of NYC, two of the best hospitals in the country, some excellent schools (universities and high schools) and the lake and other regional activities.

My favorite reason is that we have great weather. You think not? No hurricanes, no tornadoes, no floods (except in rare instances in river/creek valleys, and those people know what they're signed up for), no earthquakes of noticable size, no fire ants, no killer bees or any other venomous critters. The one and only knock is the snow and cold. Well cities like Chicago and Boston have the cold and it doesn't stop them; and the snow is only a real issue on the east side (should you choose to live there) and only a few times a year is this ever an inconvenience. I'll take Cleveland's weather enyday over the extremes just about anywhere else in the country.

It's only a matter of time before a big company(ies) figures all this out and moves here. They can move into or build a new building right in the center of town and have all the transportation and infrastructure needed (and probably a nice tax abatement to go with it). They could pay less to their new employees when compared to other large markets. And they have the environmental stability to know that the investment is secure (clean water, et al.)

Onto other interesting topics...

Casinos are never the answer for a cities woes. Number one they have little to no effect on the surrounding neighborhood. Face it they are built to get the people in and never let them out. Because if they did then those people are not gambling. They come equipt with restaurants and other forms of entertainment to acheive that goal. In fact casinos often act within a city in much the same way convention centers do, which is provide a big blank area where people do not go unless they have business in that building. If you want casinos fine, but don't expect them to be the miracle pill to sooth all ills. They will not provide as much tax revenue as they predict and there will be little to no spill over development within the area. Finally the jobs provided are the typical service relation jobs that pay poorly and often come with little or no benefits.

I do like the idea of developing the Sandusky CBD as a entertainment district. Of course it will take someone with very deep pockets or the resolve of the city to prop it up for a few years to get some momentum. Ultimately they need to not only look for bar and restaurants and maybe even small hotels but also other entertainment options as well as daily service needs like a supermarket, bookstore and hardware store. This however is not a plan i would use to compete with the existing retail services. That services the needs of the region just fine. The downtown, in my mind, should be another neighborhood center there to provide convenience for those living in and around the immediate downtown. Targeting both locals and travelers to enjoy their downtown would give the area the viability and sustainability needed to make the investment worth it. Ultimately there really needs to be a major employer or two to ensure the long term health of the city.

Wow... Someone has really convinced themselves Cleveland rocks.

btw Cleveland could very much have tornadoes.

Cuyahoga County:
JUN 22, 1951 F2
MAY 24, 1952 F1
JUN 08, 1953 F4
AUG 20, 1962 F2
APR 11, 1965 F4
SEP 29, 1966 F3
JLY 15, 1970 F2
MAY 08, 1973 F0
APR 02, 1977 F1
MAY 02, 1983 F3
MAR 31, 1985 F0
JLY 12, 1992 F0

Not to mention that the last F5 tornado in the US was only 2-3 hours southwest in Van Wert. *** Edited 8/10/2006 4:52:21 AM UTC by bholcomb***

Walt, being orginally from the town that celebrates baskets..(Berlin Heights), I have to agree with you...we celebrate just about anything and everything...although, I wonder...if instead of focusing on just rollercoasters...what about a week long summer festival, that ties in with Cedar Point? Forgive me if I can't remember all of the festivals, so if there is one like this, never mind.

gener said:
Major league sports

Where? *looks around*

In Cleveland? HA!

CP_Obsessed_Freak1987 said:
Detroit Casinos? Those suck. And hell, yo have to worry about being safe or not.

First of all, they're temporary casinos. Secondly, have you even visited them? Or Detroit? The "unsafe" image is blown way out of proportion relative to the reality.

There are areas in Detroit that aren't safe, but those aren't downtown or by the casinos, heck those aren't even really along 8 mile. Has construction even started on the permanent casinos? If these are the temporary buildings (I knew they were) what are the final ones going to look like?

I believe one of them has started (Motor City, if memory serves). They are set to open in late 2007, late 2007/early 2008 and mid/late 2008. As far as what they're going to look like, you might be able to check the Detroit Free Press or Detroit News, or Click On Detroit and do a search, as I know they've covered the approval processes and so forth.

ADDED
Here's a story about the recently-approved Greektown Casino from yesterday.

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That's how I missed it. I read freep.com, not the News.

I read both, as I'm a DRW news junkie. :)

DRW = RiverWalk?

I could never stand the News, I just don't like the layout. For whatever reason, it looks old, which is not the look you want when presenting news.

Dude, they're basically the same paper and are the same paper on the weekends. :p

Well, at least they use different font! ;)

Actually, there are some (non-AP) stories in the sports sections that are worth a read. But, yes, since 1996 (?) they've been the same paper for all intents and purposes.

Yeah, and that always ticked me off on weekends when I'd open the paper and instead of finding my Free Press I had this bastardization of a paper called the Detroit News.

Wait - so you're saying a newspaper comes with the Sunday fliers?

Sure, of course the only honest section always came in color on Saturday.