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MaverickLaunch said:

And yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

The problem isn't your unsubstantiated opinions. The problem is you continuously claim facts to be untrue, while refusing to provide proof.

You are quite literally spreading fake news, and have been throughout these threads. Which normally would be little more than amusing to observe, but given the circumstances, it's quite dangerous.

Everyone IS entitled to their own opinion. Everyone IS NOT entitled to their own facts. Facts are facts no matter what this current Administration says.

djDaemon said:

The problem isn't your unsubstantiated opinions.

Well that's a new one. Opinions are just that, opinions. One cannot substantiate an opinion.

Example:

Me: I like chocolate ice cream

Someone else: No, chocolate ice cream is disgusting

Me: No it's delicious!

Someone else: Prove it!

....it's quite dangerous.

I see we are back to hyperbole. Full circle!

MaverickLaunch said:
One cannot substantiate an opinion.

Example:

Me: The federal response to this virus has been a complete disaster that was largely unavoidable, and much of the blame lies with the President.

You: Prove it.

Me: *provides countless timelines of Trump quotes, actions, etc*

You: Fake news. In fact, everything I disagree with was written by liberal activists trying to take down Trump.

Me: Provide proof that the timelines/quotes/actions I provided are incorrect.

You: .........

I see we are back to hyperbole.

If your view - that the President did a great job handling this pandemic - were to be widely accepted as even a little bit close to the truth, we will almost certainly be as poorly prepared for future pandemics, and people will needlessly die as a result. So yeah, I think it's dangerous propaganda.

djDaemon said:

If your view - that the President did a great job handling this pandemic - were to be widely accepted as even a little bit close to the truth, we will almost certainly be as poorly prepared for future pandemics, and people will needlessly die as a result. So yeah, I think it's dangerous propaganda.

Here you go again with your lies and distortions. I've said at least TWICE (maybe more) on the Virus at CP thread that I did not think Trump handled it properly.

And although it infuriates me to have to do it, I'll quote my exact words for you along with the date/time stamps. Ready?

"Now I will say I don't think he handled it perfectly early on, but that's not why we are where we are now. " - March 19, 11:03AM in the other thread

THEN, later that same day, you tried putting words in my mouth and I responded with the following:

"If you scroll up a bit you'll see that I mentioned I didn't think it was handled perfectly." March 19, 6:40PM.

This is the pattern of behavior you've been exhibiting for years. Putting words in people's mouth. It's offensive. But then so is your personality.

djDaemon said:

Provide proof that the timelines/quotes/actions I provided are incorrect.

Sigh. OK, fine. I've got a couple minutes so I'll just pick one obvious one. You said earlier today, 10:18AM on the other thread:

"Telling people to inject disinfectant - again, on live TV - is not leadership. "

TRUMP DID NOT SAY THIS!!! Not even close. See, this is what you do. You grossly exaggerate, distort, and misrepresent people's statements in defense of your argument. That's incredibly dishonest, and to use your hyperbolic language, dangerous!

Regardless what your response to this is, nothing you say means a damn now because you've been proven a liar.

He didn't tell people to inject disinfectant. What he did say was dangerous and absolutely, unequivocally, unacceptable for a President. Look at all the entities that had to issue advisories shortly after his comments, including agencies WITHIN his government.

I would say it was crazy...but it was just Trump.

Chief Wahoo said:

He didn't tell people to inject disinfectant. What he did say was dangerous and absolutely, unequivocally, unacceptable for a President.

I also stated in the other thread that it was absurd. The fact that dj falsely quoted the President, then effectively said I was supporting such a claim, is further evidence of his distortion of what people say. It's beyond a pattern at this point.

And once again I will say, that was just a dumb thing Trump said. Ridiculous.

MaverickLaunch said:

"Now I will say I don't think he handled it perfectly early on, but that's not why we are where we are now. " - March 19, 11:03AM in the other thread

You should have quoted the next paragraph of your post:

...there's no way to know how much better or worse this problem would be had the other party been in charge. So leave politics out of it. I think it's being handled very well now, as best it can. Involving the public sector was a great move. I think a great team is now in place and there is full transparency and daily briefings of what's going on, and what steps are being taken.

We can complain that we were unprepared for this, but we would have been unprepared no matter who was president. Look how quickly this thing exploded. Nobody could have prepared, in the short time that this all happened.

That's what I'm talking about. The President's administration disbanded the pandemic response team, crippling our response to a pandemic the experts had warned us for years was an inevitability. Not only would we have been better prepared with a President who hadn't disbanded this critical team, we literally were better prepared when Trump took office.

"Telling people to inject disinfectant - again, on live TV - is not leadership. "

TRUMP DID NOT SAY THIS!!! Not even close. See, this is what you do. You grossly exaggerate, distort, and misrepresent people's statements in defense of your argument. That's incredibly dishonest, and to use your hyperbolic language, dangerous!

Regardless what your response to this is, nothing you say means a damn now because you've been proven a liar.

Here's the quote:

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

And here's video of him saying that. Yeah, he backtracked later, but the damage was apparently done, resulting in an apparent spike in emergency calls about the idea, as well as at least one person drinking cleaning product based on this "advice".

And for someone who whines incessantly about ad hominem attacks, you sure do engage in a lot of it yourself.

I hate talking politics, and I'm not defending the man, but the quote: "And is there a way we can do something like that" is different than "everyone do this", way different, in fact it's a question (a stupid one). It's like the game of telephone played as a child, with the original statement being twisted around and completely changing by the time it reaches the end.

Which is why it's crucial that the President chooses his words with extraordinary caution. As libbing about treatments for a viral pandemic on live TV is not good leadership, is the point.

MaverickLaunch said:
And yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even you and me. Isn't it great?

No one has ever suggested otherwise. However, it takes no particular qualification to have an opinion, and so all opinions are not created equally. If I had to choose between yours and those of experts, obviously I'll choose the experts.

^^ My whole point is, he said what he said, the opposing side twisted his words and ran with it, which is typical of politicians with an agenda, no matter if it's democratic or republican, especially in an election year. Unfortunately, it's up to the individual to do your own research.

If there are people out there dumb enough to try this, then, here's your Darwin award. But then again, we did have the whole tide pod thing...

djDaemon said:

And here's video of him saying that.

The video you posted LITERALLY discredits your original quote of what he said.

You are unable to take any personal responsibility for twisting my words and deliberately misquoting his. It's embarrassing. This is the part where you should be admitting you misrepresented things. We all know that's not going to happen obviously, and your distraction of the pandemic response team has nothing to do with the fact that you lied about what I said and what the president said.

You asked for proof, and I gave you proof, that's all there is to it. It's all here on display for anyone who wants to go back and read it.

Wait, so you're seizing upon the fact that he didn't literally say "people should inject themselves"? Wow, ok, yeah, you got me on a technicality. I paraphrased, incorrectly.

That doesn't change the fact that it's yet another example of a complete lack of leadership, which is the point I was making.

Don't make it sound so benign. I just pointed out TWO examples of how you distort and misrepresent statements... both my own and those of public officials. You then use those misrepresentations to frame your position on an argument. You do this ALL the time. That's why I pointed it out. It's not a technicality. It's a blatant misrepresentation of what someone said, to further your own futile argument.

Yes, in fact, I was so dead set on misrepresenting what the President said that I provided the exact quote along with a video. How truly conniving of me!

djDaemon said:

Yes, in fact, I was so dead set on misrepresenting what the President said that I provided the exact quote along with a video. How truly conniving of me!

You only came clean when you were called out in detail for your misrepresentation.

Laugh it off if you must, make light of it if that makes you feel better. But your deceit has been exposed. I could have done this a dozen times before but finally got fed up enough to waste 20 minutes of my life going back through your old posts.

I can hear Dunning and Kruger weeping from here.

Chief Wahoo said:

I have been very impressed with Mr. Wobser as a City Manager

Whatever. You know you want his job. :)

Jeff said:

I can hear Dunning and Kruger weeping from here.

The irony of this statement is just...staggering.