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Another thought that comes up would be... how many people would go on a 500ft. coaster that goes lets say 115 m.p.h. I would and all of the other coaster enthusiest will. But what about the once a year people?

While I'd certainly go on it, no problem, a 500 mph coaster would be... um... interesting. How many planes have you been OUTSIDE on while going those speeds? Every little impact would make a huge difference.

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Well, that same question was asked last winter while MF was being constructed. Some people said it would frighten many people away, but that was obviously not the case. I'm sure it would be the same for a 500 footer.

But then also think does the GP need 15-20 coasters? NO but they keep em coming for the CE they know the GP is satisfied

REally, i think that the next major leap will not be in hight but in the different kinds and elements of roller coasters.

I agree. While I love both Magnum and Millenium Force, CP now has 2 steel height coasters with no inversions. While it is true that CP has plenty of room, do they really need a third coaster that does not have much new innovation other than greater height? Stealth in CA and Son of Beast are on the right track, in my opinion - adding new and crazy things to coasters to keep people guessing and coming back for more. We shall see!

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The next "logical" step is a building a 300 footer with real inversions. Like a verticle loop so there are no judgement calls on the degree of banking. Actually, since the Steel Phantom is a memory, there are no standard (lifthill, complete circut) steel looping coasters with a drop of over 200 feet AND true inversions.

Come on Intamin, build us a hyperlooper!

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The best 2 steel coasters in the world are Millennium Force and Da Magnum. I dont think their is any argument their. They are both designed and give you speed and great air time. If you were to create loops, or inversions on these rides you would lose the speed and the air. Most importanly it would require a harness. If someone put a harnnes on the magnum, that person would most likely be lynched because the ride would blow. Dont get me wrong, the Steel Phantom is (or was) a great ride, but it does not compare with the likes of the true hypercoasters. We do need another looper at this park though. It dosent neccesaraly have to eclipse 200 feet. Also, I dont know why, but inversons seem to work better on inverted coasters. A higher looper does not meen its better. The Raptor is better than the Alpengiest, which is much higher.One thing we could use is a more modren Arrow Looper. There is no need to "harness" the hypercoaster though.
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Joe E

Siting in the middle of the train is NOT an option( Unless on MF)

I'm almost afraid to agree with you guys on that one (loopers and inversions). The last time I suggested that CP could use something like that, I just about got ran off the air.

Speaking of the harnesses on looping coasters -- this is a bit off topic, but I've been curious: does anyone know what harnesses are used on Son of Beast at King's Island? I'm curious if they use the horsecollar since it has the vertical loop, or if there is another type. Thanx!

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The best 2 steel coasters in the world are Millennium Force and Da Magnum. I dont think their is any argument their.

Yes, there is.

If someone put a harnnes on the magnum, that person would most likely be lynched because the ride would blow.

No, they wouldn't be Lynched because the ride would "blow," they'd be Lynched because they'd get their head busted in by the restraints. (Assuming, of course, you're talking about OTSRs.)

Dont get me wrong, the Steel Phantom is (or was) a great ride, but it does not compare with the likes of the true hypercoasters.

In your opinion.

I think CP does, indeed, need another looper. A standard, sit-down looper. Didn't somebody bring up the idea of installing Drachen Fire? ;)

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.

Exactly. A Forum is a place where people express opinion their ideas. Anything I write is my opinion and I am glad when someone corrects me or has a dissenting opinion. (As long as it has something to do with Cedar Point or coasters, not fried rice). It is Nice to find a place where people will discuss these ideas and disagree and not just nod their heads. But,If you hate Cedar Point then get out dodge.
What would be nice is A Drachen Fire. Anyone want to go down to Williamsburg and take it? Well that wont work so lets get Toomer over here and tell him to build another masterpiece. Cedar Point dose have a great variety of coasters, and the classic Larger Arrow Looper would be a great addition.


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Siting in the middle of the train is NOT an option( Unless on MF)

I agree about the inversions and loopers! Looking at the other big parks I've been to (SFO when it was still Geauga Lake, Busch Gardens Tampa, Islands of Adventure...) they all have far fewer coasters but more inversions. I always thought this was an interesting little tidbit. Of course, there are very few parks that have the huge variety of coasters that CP does: stand up, inverted, suspended, steel, bobsled, wooden, etc. But I'd love to see another looper!

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I don't really think Drachen Fire would be a good purchase for any park, much less The Point. It is (was) one of the most notorious headbangers the planet has ever seen, according to popular opinion. I believe the price is 4.5 million.

I had mentioned Intamin in my earlier post for building a hyperlooper. But B&M could do just as good a job with a sitdown or floorless at or above 200'.

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CrystalKat

Just to answer your question. SOB has lap bars and most likely seatbelts from the looks of the footage I have. The trains resemble Mean Streaks.

Yeah, SOB had lapbars, but I forget if it had seatbelts, if memory serves me right, it didn't.

Thanks!

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You didn't really think I was serious about Drachen Fire, did you?

If so, I wasn't. ;)

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I remember riding the Drachen Fire when it fist opended and I dont think it was that bad at all. The first drop was great, but after that it was pretty standard. I rode it along time ago in a galaxy far far away so it could have turned into horrible headbanger. Anyway, we need more inversions. Does anyone know if Cedar Point holds the record for most inversions in a park or does a record like that even exist?
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Joe E

The Millennium Force makes Me High

The most inversions?!?!?! Of course not!

Cedar Point only has 13 (definite) inversions.

I'm pretty sure PKI beats out Cedar Point. (especially if they count Face-Off as having 6 inversions. But many other parks have more inversions.