Millennium Force Original Layout??

I was on a trivia site recently, and took the Cedar Point quiz. One of the questions said that Millennium was shortened because they were out of land. Is this true and if so, what was the original layout supposed to be?

Cedar Point does not have a space problem.™

Cedar Point DOES have a space problem.

The only space problem is its removal last year.

It's been a few months since I last pulled out this link. But, as a reminder, Cedar Point ran out of space in 1994.

As rides age and replacement parts become scarce, the rides will be removed. Hence, CP doesn't have a space problem.

Not only that, with 365 acres, Cedar Point has more land to work with than most amusement parks. They've been able to increase their ride count by roughly 20 rides in 20 years. If they were "out of space" and removed a ride to install a ride, they'd still be in the mid-50s.

There is a space problem... it's blatantly obvious. It's laughable to say there isn't. It's not like there is a massive tract of empty land the park can build on... without moving parking off point. Space is, and will continue to be a premium on the property.

On the other hand, it's also laughable to say that Planning and Design doesn't realize this, and they've proven they have the ability to come up with creative solutions to that problem.

But to say it doesn't exist at all is ludicrous.

Yes there is space problem, but it's a solvable problem that they have been doing so for decades. They will always find a way to squeeze in a new coaster.

As for Millennium Force being shortened from it's original layout, I find that doubtful since it is so long. It is the longest steel coaster in the country after all.

No, they have space considerations. Amusement parks with space problems don't expand, they maintain. They replace and refresh. Amusement parks who have to be aware of space constraints can continue to find ways to expand the number of attractions offered.

If and when Cedar Point gets to a point where they say, "we simply cannot add another new attraction without removing one," I still don't see it as a problem. More than likely, if they are ever faced with that decision, there will be more than one good candidate for removal.

^Hence why Space Spiral and Disaster Transport were removed. Dated rides removed to for something new.

IMO, they used up the last never touched piece of land with STR. Space is not an issue. If the rumors are true about the Red Dorms, that would free up a ton of space that would have them set for atleast 10 years.

I asked the same thing in 2007. http://pointbuzz.com/Forums/Thread/20895.aspx

Funtrivia.com right?

I'm sure there were several revisions of Millennium Force that were considered. Each one based on where in the park it would be located and only one got any further than the initial decision phase.

Thinking that the layout we have now was the only one under consideration for the ride the would become "Millennium Force" is as asinine as thinking the current design was modified after it was chosen because the park was running out of space.

Cedar Point HAD a space problem. They fixed it when they got rid of Disaster Transport. <rim shot> Actually if you want to see a "real" space problem then take a look at Disney Hollywood Studios. That place is wedged in so tight you'd need vaseline to do much more other than repurpose existing areas.

If you want to see how much can be done in a confined space then take a look at a map of Blackpool Pleasure Beach.

I doubt they are interested in anymore hotel expansion but I think the property in the parking lot that is bordered by Kinzel's house and Gatekeeper would be ripe for another beachfront hotel. I'd make it a luxury resort catered to the big spenders, keep it small and intimate, and charge out the butt for it. Keeping it aimed to that clientele would likely satisfy the folks living on Kinzels' street.

That's a cool idea, Chief. Cedar Fair's version of a Grand Floridian, or I guess a Grand Ohioan. It definately makes sense to be more upscale, being separtated from the other hotels and campground. There can even be a seperate access to the park in that area, exclusively for guests staying at that resort.

That is what I'm thinking. For as nice as the Breakers Tower is you will have a certain clientele who won't want to stay there because of how crowded it is and just the chaos of the place. At Disney they are building a Four Seasons because the Grand Floridian isn't exclusive enough for some...if you can believe that.

At my new resort you could book a private park concierge who could coordinate your day, get you fast access to the rides, arrange your meals, etc. Maybe you could even catch a private boat over to Put In Bay.

Chief - if you are referring to the building they are putting in next door to the Grand Floridian at WDW, it is a vacation club resort, not a Four Seasons. Lately, Disney has been adding value resorts, not high end (except for the vacation club resorts).

On a related note, Disney has submitted plans to put parking garages in at Downtown Disney in Orlando. The idea is to help alleviate a parking problem and free up space for expansion in that area. Somewhere down the line, CP may have a plan to do the same.

Yes, I know the vacation club is going in at the Grand (as it has at Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom). No, what I am referring to is the Four Seasons Resort Orlando at Walt Disney World. Disney sold the property to an investment group.

The Four Seasons will be within the Golden Oak development that Disney is building on the site of the Osprey golf course. The course is being redesigned and will be run by the Four Seasons but Disney has master planned the Golden Oak community.

Again, this whole development is being marketed to those who think the Grand Floridian is too tacky and "beneath" them so you can imagine the clientele that will be attracted to it.

The park does not have a space problem, simply due to the fact that their market is not unlimited. Because their market is not unlimited, their income is not unlimited. Because their income is not unlimited, their expenses cannot be unlimited. Maintenance is an expense.

In other words, CP has an income problem more than it has a space problem.