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HIPAA only prevents patient-specific data from being transmitted, accessed or shared unnecessarily/unauthorized.

If someone got hit with a lighter and was transported to first aid, talking about that wouldn't be considered a violation. However, if you said "John Doe, age 32, of 123 bird street, Miltonvalecityville Wisconsinstate got hit with a lighter and suffered a fractured..." you'd have an issue.

edit: Also, if you were the EMT that administered care - you couldn't talk about that, either.

Yeah, but the park isn't going to make statements saying hey this guy got hit on the ride, etc. Why would they? Regardless they won't want to disclose and I'm sure people wouldn't want it disclosed either.

I mean we see the EMTs dispatched everyday all over, I'd say 99.99999% of the time for small stuff, but I'm sure a few have been ride related.

Plus, yes, this could be a 1/1million chance of this causing some major issue, but the fact is, I want that number as close to zero as possible. If it means sending a ride op to snag your phone while you take a selfie, so be it. Safety always matters most, everytime, everyday.

e x i t english said:

Again, the burden of proof does not fall on us.

Actually it is.

He did not assert his claim--he provided math to back it up. If you disagree it is your turn to provide some proof. Devarious has met his burden of proof.

Not unlike both his "math" and his arguments, I can take a crap in a paper bag and present that if it'll help. I have some time. However, that won't change the physical laws by which this universe is governed.

Also, you meant "actually it does" (even though you're wrong).

I wish someone would close this topic.

I have yet to see the most important part of this equation, is this cinder block being carried by an African Swallow, or a Eurpoean Swallow at the time it falls from the Corkscrew?

Only the King needs to know these things

I remember during Corkscrew's first season seeing someone spill an entire box of delicious Coffelt's salt water taffy all over the midway below the loops. You would've thought it was the fourth of July parade the way people scrambled for that candy.

By the way, the taffy hit the ground with the force of a small paving stone if that helps anyone here.

I can't even with what this topic has come to ✋🏼 :)

thedevariouseffect said:

Lol if ya think it'll get to me I don't really care, so far noone has proved the model wrong.

Can you prove that "noone" is a word?

Your formula quoting is nonsense. Newtons aren't pounds because N is a unit of force, and pounds are a unit if weight (or kind of mass if you're willing to concede we're operating under the same gravity). Furthermore, as others have pointed out, measurements of force and the derived equations all depend on mass, and a block of concrete is going to have more mass than any loose object. There is no universe where it's like "getting hit by a brick" because the brick would necessarily have to be almost not moving.

It is impossible for any object that has less mass than another object to exert the same amount of force as a higher mass object when traveling at the same velocity.

A 5 ounce European Swallow flying at you from the top of the Corkscrew lift hill at 8mph will not exert the same force on impact as a one pound coconut traveling at 8mph after being thrown at you.

It would if the swallow weighed 1 pound

The Swallow could weigh one pound if it ate some of the cinder block, it may prove difficult for the Swallow to reach the cinder block inside of the cargo shorts though.

Have all your fun, but just spent actually the past 20 minutes looking over stuff. The equation is correct, the math and even conversions are correct.

To put it in perspective, if any of you are sports fans. Think of all the stuff you hear about a linebacker's hit being forceful as X or whatever, it's the same concept.

The phone isn't gaining mass, it's gaining kinetic energy, it's gaining momentum. That force when it hits you gets transferred to you. So it's hitting you with 22 lbs of force from a half pound object at speed. I mean if you keep thinking it's stupid, a bullet it pretty light too, but hey, enough speed, guess what you get cavitation. Same logic, momentup and kinetic energy gets built up and then released on you. So 22 pounds of force via metal phone to the face.

Here's a few good links: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/impact-force-d_1780.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a2954/4212171/

So, a 200lb defensive back hits you like you got slammed with 1600lbs according to the article. So yes, the comparison is there. A cinder block is right over 25lbs, so close estimate in his comparison, bit off, I'd just say it'd feel like getting hit with a dumbell, but I copied his stuff, it sounded good, math seemed right at the time (again no math kid here), but hey, the math checks out and the logic is correct unless someone else wants to challenge it or pull out a math degree, I'm right

Jeff said:

thedevariouseffect said:

Lol if ya think it'll get to me I don't really care, so far noone has proved the model wrong.

Can you prove that "noone" is a word?

Well, it's a proper noun, anyway...

Your formula quoting is nonsense. Newtons aren't pounds because N is a unit of force, and pounds are a unit if weight (or kind of mass if you're willing to concede we're operating under the same gravity). Furthermore, as others have pointed out, measurements of force and the derived equations all depend on mass, and a block of concrete is going to have more mass than any loose object. There is no universe where it's like "getting hit by a brick" because the brick would necessarily have to be almost not moving.

Which is the fundamental misunderstanding of the (really poor) analogy. Getting hit by a cell phone hits you with about the same force as a resting cinder block.

The reality is that while getting hit by a cellphone dropped or thrown from a coaster might not be pleasant or comfortable*, it's also unlikely to do much significant damage. For all the attention paid to 'loose articles' in recent years the only incidents I know of where riders have been injured by flying objects other than ride parts have all been traced back to rocks thrown at the ride from the midway or the adjacent picnic grove.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

* unless, of course, you are into that sort of thing...

--DCAjr

Someone leaves their phone sitting on the table and they say hey, can you throw that to me? So you pick it up and toss it to them. Then they say, hey, I also left my cinder block right there, can you please toss that over here as well? If both the phone and cinder block are thrown at the same speed which one is going to exert more force on the person catching it?

I think the whole pretense of the arguement is misrepresented. If the idea is someone walking on the midway and having a phone hitting them underneath the corkscrew. Not a big deal, and highly unlikely due to the direction of momentum. But I have been on Magnum at night where a bunch of teens with their phones that their parents paid for got them out to take pictures in the cars in front of me. It was pretty scary. Not sure what their purpose was, but the one who lost their grip on their phone. I'd would have wanted to give a good spanking. I don't want to be hit in the face by a phone at 50 miles per hour. I reached out to grab the phone but there was no way in hell I'd have given it back. It would have gone in a trash can. If your idea of a good time is getting hit in the face with someones cell phone then good for you. But making fun of someone's assertion that it would feel like a cinder block is kind of stupid. Has any of you ever been hit in the face with a cell phone on Millenium or Magnum? I'm not talking physics. Do you really have to put a kinetic force value on the pain that you would feel? Can you justify getting your phone out on a ride now because they are so lightweight?

I've been guilty of this in the past in ignorance. Shoot the Rapids, had a nifty water proof camera and thought it was neat to snap a few pics. Didn't get caught, and didn't think it out. Afterwords, after reading online about different parks "cameras / phones" policy it made sense and I wouldn't do it again. 99.9% of the time it probably won't cause a problem, but I can't justify it in the case of the 0.1%. It's just not worth someone / something getting hurt. Besides, the pictures couldn't match profession POV images or videos, and the memories were of the people I was with, not the ride itself.

That is important! And yes, I have been hit by objects dropped by people ahead of me on a train. No, it isn't pleasant. But it isn't especially hazardous either, because it doesn't come at you at 70 MPH, it comes at you at pretty much 'tossing speed', generally the difference in your velocity and the velocity of the front of the train when the object was dropped or thrown. Most often the object in question is a hat. Phones usually head straight for the pavement.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Yes usually they do, but there is the small chance it can strike a guest, and that's unnacceptable, which leads me to stand by the claim ride ops can and should keep doing what they're doing at CP to prevent that from being an issue. I don't understand why anyone would want that one in a million risk, it's not worth it to me.

Which is surprising to me KI doesn't do anything. I mean take this pic, I took this from the midway at Banshee when it dive bombs to the ground, what if a phone was lost here, that'd be a bad day for anyone standing where I was, which is right on the main midway.