Lots of Cedar Point news on this week's "In the Loop" podcast

Lol if ya think it'll get to me I don't really care, so far noone has proved the model wrong.

Here's what I got in text, it's split up in short hand so if it's a bit off sorry. Again I'm not a math guy, I got a C in Physics my senior year of HS, haven't even had to take a math for College thankfully.

Mass=.184kg (phone 184grams)

Velocity=17.81m/s (39-40mph roughly)

Stopping distance of 0, when it hits you're not moving, no distance for deceleration

Impact force is 95Newtons or 21.5lbs. So a half pound phone at speed turns into 21.5lbs of force on impact

Equation==> Favg d = -1/2mv sq'd

First of all, if you're carrying a half-pound phone, you're obviously carrying a brick. Even the largest of phones is ringing in right around 1/3 lb, and second, if you get hit by a 21.5 lb cinder block, even swinging from a rope, it's a hell of a lot more than 21.5 lbs of force.

I guess you still believe that dropping a penny off the empire state building gives it the force of a bullet, too?

My phone is 184g, which is right under half a pound, it's a phablet (Nexus 6)

Prove it wrong then, I posted this in good faith it was good math and made sense, it's alot of force obviously from the simple equation to get hit by, so it's probably ganna be a nasty hit.

Regardless of any matter y'all try to mess around on here with. The larger issue is this stemmed from ride ops stopping the ride on the lift to retrieve loose articles, seeing this now, it makes me stick to that idea that they should go to the lift to grab em even more. I really don't want to know how bad that hit would be against someones face. It's a metal bodied phone and fat slab of glass on the front, it's not going to be pretty.

Mythbusters tested the penny off the Empire State Building. It's not fatal.

Especially if that Nexus 6 hits you with it's edge, it's going to hurt!

The burden of proof isn't on me, though. You're the one claiming that a phone being dropped from corkscrew will equate to a cinder block to the face. You're not taking in to account the surface area, if it is flying flat against the air, it's going to slow down, and chances are it's going to flutter and spin through the air.

I'm not denying that it's going to hurt if it were to fall from up there - but getting it to accidentally fall from up there in those deep-dish trains isn't going to be an easy task.

Easier than you think though. When most people record POVs they hold it up and out. Some are smart and hold it at waist level and look up, but most people film it like a selfie nowadays.

Yes it can slow down from air resistance for sure, but what if like Pete says ti hits an edge, I didn't even think of that one. Regardless, it sucks, it shouldn't happen, and ride ops need to take loose articles off the ride if guests try to be smart or sneaky. Safety is the biggest priority, and always should be. Again, KI does nothing, and again looking at those figures, this is a potential mess. Think Banshee's Stengel dive, that's a catastrophe waiting to happen if someone loses their phone anywhere along that portion

The original statement was: "a cell phone in Corkscrew launched from the ride has about the force of a cinder block getting thrown at you from the corkscrews."

This is a ridiculous statement, mostly because of the missing pieces and ambiguity. Is the phone being launched only from Corkscrew's motions? Is the cinder block actually being thrown while traveling in the corkscrew? Inquiring minds need to know.

Let's assume for giggle's sake, that you meant "a cell phone launched from Corkscrew's corkscrews has about the same force as a cinder block launched from Corkscrew's corkscrew."

The "force" answer is no. In fact, the answer is so much no that you deserve an electric shock from your keyboard for even thinking that it's remotely yes. Likely, you're confusing acceleration and velocity here, which, barring wind resistance and other minutiae, would be identical. Unfortunately, we're talking about mass here. To put things in better perspective, you should ask yourself if you would rather be hit with a pebble going at 60 mph or boulder going at 60 mph.

Prove it wrong then. Show me, I never said it was right, just off of a friend who likes math when we were waiting for our TA during Chem Lab.

Again, regardless, the phone is heavy and big, getting hit with it at speed is going to suck, it's going to bruise at minimum. Lets hope it doesn't hit an eye or something, that could yield some trauma for sure.

I'd like to see the math, this is all I've got, if you see it so much easier and have the numbers to back it please show. I'd love the actual real figures if the equation is wrong actually. It'll still prove my point for sure that the objects thrown from a ride can cause real issues for the riders or guests on the midway. Fully metal and glass phone to the face, I'll pass.

I'm not proving squat. If the final sentence doesn't explain it to you, there is no hope.

The burden of proof still does not lie with those of us who disagree with you.

Do you actually need to be hit by a phone to prove it?

If I'm wrong show it's wrong. A phone coming off of the ride and smacking someone on the midway is going to do damage, thats true, it's going to happen. Then take other coasters with even higher speeds too, I've seen items disintegrate hitting the ground falling off of Dragster, I would hate to see what would happen with a person in the way of the phone or whatever.

It's not going to hit you like it fell off the countertop to the floor, it's going to have some speed behind it, and it's solid, it's going to hurt and cause issues.

Let's see....
If a fly is flying 2 miles an hour in a car traveling 60 miles an hour...um...

Oh, forget it.

Again, the burden of proof does not fall on us.

RCMAC said:

Let's see....
If a fly is flying 2 miles an hour in a car traveling 60 miles an hour...um...

Oh, forget it.

Cinder block to the windshield, without question.

Well..when someone one day gets hurt because someone is stupid and wants a shaky cam Bourne Supremacy video for their Facebook, I'll be there. Seeing what phones look like in low zones is enough for me to just cringe at the thought.

Metal to the face, it's never good.

How many times has a phone or other item fallen off a ride and hit someone on the midway below? I can't recall any documented cases recently, so that should tell you it's a non-issue.

I never disagreed with you that it wasn't good, but I did disagree with your assessment about the cinder block.

It has happened. Maverick my year someone got slammed with a zippo lighter someone decided to hold onto instead of putting it in a bin or pocket, etc.

Being that it's not a true ride accident or issue I'm sure it's not documented like say Magnum's collision or Skyhawks issue. Plus being anything medical related, hippa is in in effect.