Limits of coasters and thrill rides?

^^^ I know that is why people grey out there. But you were saying that if people grey out on MF, who knows how they would handle a taller coaster. And I was implying that just because the coaster is taller, it may not have that same effect.

Mike, I agree with you. That would be an awesome coaster. Here where I live in Alabama the road is made of giant hills and curves. I am always wishing that they would just add a track to the road. With all of the hills, if you were going fast enough you could get some serious air time. :)

PB-Reader said:

Did anyone see that t.v. special on cable where a 

1000ft coaster off a side of a building in san fransico

was designed to have 2 large air time hills using 

the Golden Gate Bridge as a support, and the ride 

would go through the downtown area.... It was designed 

in the early 1900's... :) Someone wants to attempt to

build this thing..

(I saw this special 2-4 years ago)

Yes I do remember that I just watched it. It was cool they said any speed can be achieved using LIMs , and LSMs. I think it is Just what a human will want to go on.

Mike, isn't that what Tatsu is? I mean it doest have huge 400 foot drops but it was built on the side of a mountain.

MillDragMav said:
dragster does 4 g's there buddy

Wrong. The launch is less than 1.5 G's. Acceleration is change in speed (120mph, or about 53 m/s) over change in time (4 seconds). That's 13.25 m/s^2. The force of gravity is about 9.8 m/s^2. You do the math.

Tatsu makes great use of topography, but it's not the same as a roller coaster physically running down the side of a mountain.

With things like the world islands, the palm islands, emirates palace,burj al arab, and all the other insane **** their building out there.It wouldn't surprise me if some coaster record is broken in Dubai.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the mega rich oil tycoons out theregave Intamin $70 million to build one of the best roller coasters knownto man.

^^^Yeah, but that's only during the launch. What about the g's you get as a result of the incline? I'm not sure but I'm almost positive it's more than 1.5 g's.

I agree with Dvo on this one. I find that almost impossible to believe the g's on the incline are only 1.5. 1.5g's isn't much more than what we feel while standing on solid ground.

Not too sure on this one, but assuming the radius of the curve of the incline is somewhere around 200ft, and at 120mph, the g's at the beginning of the incline would appear to be around 1.5.

Emiroo said:
I remember reading an interview with the S&S Power guys and they said the technical/mechanical limit for one of their space shots is about 300 feet, but that there was no limit to how tall they could make a turbo drop.

Anyone know why this is? I thought that the two experiences were just opposites of each other.

I would guess the space shot can only be 300 feet because in order to launch it any higher it would have to be launched with an acceleration dangerous to people. With an air launch its kinda just all or nothing, not like with LIMs where you can just keep it accelerating along a longer distance.

Ryan06 said:
Not too sure on this one, but assuming the radius of the curve of the incline is somewhere around 200ft, and at 120mph, the g's at the beginning of the incline would appear to be around 1.5.

This reminds me of one of the old engineering sayings:

An engineer will assume a horse is a sphere just to make the math easier.

Where did you get the 200' radius? And I hope you're not dividing 200 by 120 mph to get the acceleration.. that's not right at all.

^ I don't really know, I just guessed by looking at the height of the curve, it looks like it goes half way up the tower. But there was a reason I changed my major from engineering.. because this stuff no longer interests me! (well, unless it has to do with CP ;)) And no I used A = v^2 (m/s) / r then divide by g just like in physics :)

I know what they are doing is cool when it comes to the coasters. I just hope that they don't forget to keep making family friendly coasters for those like me who love both worlds! I do live the thrill, but I also like the fun!

I have seen a lot of families ride MF together. I think as long as they made an extremely tall coaster smooth like MF, a lot of people wouldn't be turned away by the height.

I remember when I first saw MF, I thought that there is no way that I am ever going to get on that. It is way to tall and steep for me. But after hearing stories of how amazingly smooth it was, I finally gave it a try.

My sister hates Magnum, which is 100 feet less than MF. But Millie is her favorite coaster. I do not think it really matters on the height of the ride, but on the way it is made.

^Same way with Maverick. Thats my familys favorite ride. We all ride together and have fun. My 9 year old sister loves it. It just depends how tough your family is I guess.

^^It kind of seems that way, but I know a few too many people who have no problem getting on MF, but are terrified by TTD. Granted MF isn't vertical, and I can see people being afraid of rolling back on TTD. But I'm sure the sheer height of the tower plays a big part in it.

The speed at which the gondola is launched can be controlled by the computer, though. If it wants it to go faster, it pushes the air into the chamber at a faster rate.

^^ I think that people are more afraid of TTD than MF not because of the height difference, but because of the fact that it launches you to such high speeds right away.

MF is still a coaster, no matter how tall it is. But TTD is a completely different experience. So I think that is more of the reason TTD turns people away. Not because of the height difference.

cedarpointlover said:
The speed at which the gondola is launched can be controlled by the computer, though. If it wants it to go faster, it pushes the air into the chamber at a faster rate.

The higher the gondola is the more air is needed to move it. The more air thats needed the harder it becomes to keep the pressure up. With no air pressure you don't get any movement.