Is the lagoon still a full circuit?

Capt. Ed's rant is just rediculous. Sure, leave the park alone, keep it like it was in the 70's and 80's and watch attendance dwindle to nothing.

The amusement park business is all about change, you need new stuff to keep people coming back. The management of the park has done a wonderful job of adding new rides while keeping the feel and spirit of CP. TTD is in a great location, very few changes needed to be made to put such a major ride in. I think everyone will be surprised how nice the area will look.

A major roller coaster has wide appeal. Ever look at the line to Millenium Force? You will find everything from teenagers to retired people. While TTD is obviously not a ride for young children, you said yourself people are having fewer kids. Even so, CP has spent millions building Camp Snoopy and coverting the movie theater to the Ice Show. Or doesn Capt. Ed want to see reruns of "To Fly" forever?

Thank god the CP management is not like you Capt. Ed. If you were running the park, I'm sure the park by now would just be a network of interconnected ditches for you to run your boat in.

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Florida may have Disneyworld and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

I'm not even going to read that crap Ed, because I think you're a bitter little man. Obviously the park is doing just fine. No park has as many unofficial Web sites, or a community of thousands who stop in here every day.

I have to boot you off the site now, because you're making personal attacks against the PR people, who you know full well can't respond or defend themselves here. That makes you a jerk and a coward. Furthermore, I consider those folks my friends, and I'll not have you talking smack about my friends on my dime.

Go post somewhere else. Chances are though, nobody will give a damn about what you say there either.

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"The world rotates to The Ultra-Heavy Beat!" - KMFDM
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OldCPer - the lagoons were dredged in the early 1900s (04 -05) with a plan for gondolas to operate, but that never happened. However, rowboats and canoes were used and the lagoons also provided a way to get coal to the powerhouse.

This information was taken from the book Cedar Point: The Queen of American Watering Places.

Hey Jeff, don't say I didn't warn you about Capt. Ed. Unfortunately, he only chooses to release selective truths about his relationship with the park.

Thanks for the info, loriu! My first time to CP the midway ended where the train station is. This was before the Frontier Lift and CCMR, and I don't recall riding the Western Cruise back in 1966. So my memory of the lagoons doesn't begin until around 1968.

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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead

Intamin is the answer to CP's woodie problems. Mean Streak is a flop because of the lack of forces on the ride to do anything for the rider. Almost ZERO airtime and heavy braking kills the ride. I think the GP noticed a boring ride. I think the GP would ride an Intamin dueling woodie that is a good design. As far as this "Top Thrill Drag Queen" as Ed puts it I think it could use some more track. Sure it's high and I will definately enjoy it for the extreme height and I do hope to make it to CP this year to ride it but it's shortness of track is a little disappointing. In spite of that I don't think the ride was a bad decision and is a nice addition. But I don't think CP should completely alienate the woodie lovers market for a world class thrilling dueling woodie with tons of airtime. BS may be a good ride but not good enough for world class greatness and MS well everyone knows what I think of it by now! :-) I'm just worried that I will never get that world classquality woodie experience @ CP and feels something is lacking in this "World's Greatest Amusement Park" without it!

There is a little blue pill you could take...well, nevermind.

I think Kinzel is going to have to be sold on a new generation wood coaster that has less maintenance headaches than those in his parks. I believe there is a staff of at least 6 or 8 carpenters/mechanics is sole job it to keep MS running all summer long. Since they are union you can figure they make pretty good money. I don't think 400K-500K on staff for MS alone is out of the question.

Then, throw in material costs and that is an expensive beast to keep running. Even if it was running well would it be in the Top 5 of many people's CP lists? Millie, Maggie, Raptor, BS, Gemini...probably not.

Solution: Get rid of that wooden pile of crap(MS) and replace it with Intamin wood!!! Very simple!! And to answer your question would it be in anyone's top 5? The answer is NO for most people!
*** This post was edited by Kevin Dreyling 2/13/2003 5:32:50 PM ***

I don't think that they should get rid of it...at least not all of it. If they are going to do anything with it, they should retrofit it, or part of it with Intamin's milled track. They could probably reprofile it to make it taller than MS, in turn claimed the tallest wooden coaster record again. And while they're at it, they can take out the much of the second have of the ride, and turn it into a giant wooden racer! But let's snap back to reality...

I would hate for MS to be taken down because it such a beautiful structure. If it were to be reprofiled, I'd hope that the same attention to aesthetics would be taken to the improved MS as it was to the original.

Now to the lagoons. I looked at the animations of Dragster, and they concur with the artist's rendering. It appears that there will be a small pond (where ID crosses over the lagoon) separated from the other side's of the lagoons. I hope that they find some way to keep the water in there moving so that mosquitoes don't breed in there. It wouldn't be very fun to be waiting in line while getting attacked by swarms of mosquitoes.

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What is most anticipated event of 2003? the debut of Dragster, the release of Metallica's new album, the release of Terminator 3, or the release of Matrix:Reloaded...tough call.
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If memory serves, CP has been planning for a little while now in removing the lagoons? Anyone else remember hearing that?

I don't remember hearing that. I think it is a terrible thing if they do. So far they have been very creative in working around the lagoons. The lagoons also give atmosphere to part of the park. Such as Frontier town, by CCMR, and also ID.
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Right now, the lagoon is not a full circuit. The area in the construction zone was dammed off and drained to facilitate construction.

Officially, we have been told (those of us who were paying attention, anyway) that the Paddlewheel attraction will change very little (I think they said one scene had to move). The lagoon will return behind Dragster. I suspect it may be a little narrower this season than in the past.

When Mantis was built, and when Chaos was installed, Cedar Point obtained permission to fill in part of the lagoons, but not all of them. It seems odd that they would have to obtain permission to fill in artificial lagoons on private property, but regulations are like that sometimes.

Since Kevin brought up Mean Streak and the whole issue of Intamin's wood coasters...well, first of all, the one Intamin wood coaster I have ridden happens to be one of the worst wood coasters I have ever ridden anywhere. I don't mean poorly running as Mean Streak, I mean simply a lousy design. Furthermore, Intamin's new track is not merely reduced maintenance, it is no maintenance at all. The track cannot be repaired without destroying the section...but what I know of large American amusement parks is that if any of the big parks I know had one of these things they would sure *try* to work on it, probably screwing it up in the process. Or they would simply neglect it until it was past the point of needed replacement. No manufactured-wood track coaster has more than a couple of seasons on it yet, so we really don't know how the track holds up. Furthermore, the big problem with big wooden coasters isn't the track at all, but rather the way the trains run on that track. Let's fix that first, then perhaps the expense and complication of manufactured track can be avoided.......

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

They have to get permission I believe because they were filling in/changing a rather large section of lagoon. Animals have made their home in/around the lagoon. I believe thats what the regulation is there for. I'll do a check.
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I have this foggy memory that a few years back there was an article in one of the northern Ohio papers talking about how CP was talking to the Army Corps of Engineers about filling in some or all of the lagoons. As i recall it was a long term plan. I never heard anything else about it. Perhaps they were just looking into the option and what costs/benifits it would bring. But it seems to me that the park is heading toward that direction.

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captain ed said:
Hi Kevin

I like coasters as much as the next guy. With a

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This guy must be a militia member, Ed go get your flashlight, bottle of water,and shovel. Go dig yourself a hole and wait at the bottom for the 2nd coming!
*** This post was edited by redbrigade 2/18/2003 6:10:35 PM ***