Is the lagoon still a full circuit?
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Feel the Beat
Jeff da Beat said:
But if you are going to go by what the pictures and renders say then Magnum is going to be torn down because it is absent in the photo.
It's not being torn down.. it sank... ;)
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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services 2002
Fright Zone Screamster 2002
*** This post was edited by Red Garter Rob 2/11/2003 8:03:08 AM ***
the management that we have at the park now are complete idiots... all they care about is the fast buck... they don't care that they fill in all the lagoons... cut down every stinking tree... or even bull doze the Breakers.
They were beyond the pointt of no return a long time ago.... the destruction of the good old Cedar Point started when they took out the Western Cruise and the Frontier Lift.
So many of the park's tress have been removed that the temperature in the park has raised.... as a whole.... it's nothing but concrete and parking lot.
Yes the park was required to create a new wildlife area for what they did to build Mantis. Now they question is did they? The answer is no... see who is checking up on them. I am suprised no one has said anything or media investigating it.
CAPT ED
*** This post was edited by Kevin Dreyling 2/13/2003 2:21:13 AM ***
I like coasters as much as the next guy. With a major house cleaning in both the parks' upper management and the public relations department we could see some positive changes. But because of the way Cedar Fair LP is set up the boobs who are managing partners can never be removed from their positions. The stock that you or I can buy is called comon... no voting rights.... the managing general partners own prefered and no one else can own these type.
The fact is that the old Cedar Point from the 60s... 70s... and 80s.... which was truely the best amusement park.... not today's mess we are stuck with now.... the park should have been left alone and new rides and attractions be built in other locations. That would have made Cedar Point truely great. But it's too late now... you can't put it back even if they wanted to.
What is going to be interesting is people are not having kids as much as they used to and the population is growing old fast. So what the park has done is narrow it's market... catering to just a select few. The effects of this have started to hamper the park for several years now... no matter what kind of spin or lies the public relations department pass off.
This new ride... which I'm not even going to call it a coaster because it lasts a whole 30 seconds... goes up a big hill and comes right back down into the station.... let's call it
TOP THRILL DRAG QUEEN......
This was a brain fart of Judy Kinzel the CEOs wife... she just love the 50s... now I'm not making this up but they actually are considering re-doing Frontier Town into a 50s theme. Coaster's... Johnny Rocket's... all Judy... hell he even renamed one of the train engines JACK FOSTER and renamed it Judy K.
Jack Foster was the first superintendant of the CP AND LE Railroad.
You know.... I knew what that new ride was... what it was named... how tall it was going to be all the way back in the very begining of last summer. I called the newspapers and told them... they didnt' believe me or the information.... boy did I get alot of calls back after the park released it. Boy was the PR department mad because I leaked the info.
In true form when asked.... the PR department always tries to discredit me.... they say I'm lying or I can't be trused.... see about 12 years ago I got arrested over some domestic stuff with an ex-girlfriend. At that time I no longer worked for Cedar Point.... but I still had friends who worked there... well to make a long story short I was arrested right outside the park... in the parking lot of the CP marina... I was visiting my friend who stayed in the Cedars Droms....
It had nothing to do with Cedar Point it had to do with an EX... but any time Cedar Point doesn't like what I say or do.... they like to exagerate or discredit me so people for an opinion.
The PR department wants to controll everything.... including sites like this one... they monitor these things. I am still very much connected with the park... through my friends who work there... my buisness operating the old Western Cruise boat.... and the lectures that I give on Cedar Point.
I don't hate Cedar Point.... I love it.... I don't like the thing we got now. Instead of working with me .... they choose to hate. They hate their own history because it confines what they can do.
You will hear their PR flunkies say thing like.... they don't care what people think.... if they want to take something out... they just take it out.... it seems to me... when something has been there for let's just say 30 years.... people are attached to it. Rides and attractions don't become less popular.... not without help anyway. For example.... when they moved the Giant Wheel.... the attendance went down... because it is not in as good of location. Here is an example the other way.... the Matterhorn used to be way up front by where Disaster Transport is now.... Matterhorn had low attendance at its original location.... when they moved it to its present location the attendance went up.
I hope that some day the park build's a wood coaster. I would suggest a racing wood coaster. But that not going to happen. The management is scared because the Mean Streak was a flop and it has sunk so low in attendance I suprised they have not thought about removing it.... but that would lower their all mighty coaster count.
You will also hear Some of the PR flunkies... these are some people who chat on this site and have friends in the PR department like Janice ...... try to bad mouth me. But they can't chase me away because I have truth on my side and time will prove me right. Thanks for your support. Boycot
TOP TRILL DRAG QUEEN what is this thing... a coaster???? And who is the idiot who came up with such a rediculious name ???
No wonder it's not trade marked...
CAPT ED
for Cedar Point President 2004
Your spelling, grammer and sentence structure is an excellent indication of your brain power.
After that vindictive rant, you must need a rest. Go lie down.
MrScott
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captain ed said:
Hi Kevin-snip obvious past problems with park rant-
CAPT ED
for Cedar Point President 2004
Issues.....
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tambo
captain ed said:
So what the park has done is narrow it's market... catering to just a select few.Right. . .that 3.25 million is really narrow and a select few. Too bad the numbers aren't higher.
Coaster's... Johnny Rocket's... all Judy...
Last time I checked, there was ALWAYS a wait at Johnny Rocket's . .because of the slow service? no. Because it's insanely popular? yes. Oh, bad move, CP. . . wait. . . no.
The PR dep wants to controll everything.... including sites like this one...they monitor these things
Hah, I am just in my first year of college, and I am aware that a PR Dept. DOES that. Everything said about a company impacts its image, whether sponsored by the company or not. Just like sites like this.
the Mean Streak was a flop and it has sunk so low in attendance I suprised they have not thought about removing it....
Wait. . . i thought people got attached to rides, and you SHOULDNT remove them?
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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services 2002
Fright Zone Screamster 2002
*** This post was edited by Red Garter Rob 2/13/2003 9:40:33 AM ***
Calling the new ride "Top Thrill Drag Queen" is such an immature way to insult something you so obviously hate. It sounds like you believe everything that Cedar Point does is a deeply-rooted conspiracy against you... Somehow, I highly doubt that your name is even mentioned (or thought about) by anyone at planning meetings. Most of them probably don't know who you are (most don't know who I am either, but what else are you to expect in a park with 5,000 employees and millions of guests every year?). What they think about (I'm sure) is the reaction of the general public as a whole.
The upper management of a business has the right to make whatever decisions they choose, and if they aren't successful, then it's their fault. In my opinion, Cedar Point is an awesome place to both visit and work (if I didn't think so, I wouldn't return year after year -- I was a guest long before I was an employee!) The awards Cedar Point receives, plus the consistently great attendance proves it if you want facts...just ask anyone on GTTP who has "sold out" to the Point for life.
If you want to be the judge of your own amusement park, rule your conspiracy theories from the safety of your own living room and Roller Coaster Tycoon.
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And out of curiosity, does anyone know if those lagoons were an original part of CP? Or were they dug and added specifically for the Western Cruise?
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*** This post was edited by OldCPer 2/13/2003 10:47:09 AM ***
First, let me say that I too hope that the lagoon remains a full circuit. I realize that Paddle Wheel Excursion may not be a high attendance ride, but it is a nice break from the fast pace of the rest of the park.
I believe that CP tries to maintain attractions for all ages and desires. I also believe that they try to keep as much green landscaping as possible. Whatever has been removed to add TTD, I'm sure they will creatively try to replace in some form.
As for some of Captain Ed's remarks, I can see some of his points. I believe that the entire area around Disaster Transport and Space Spiral needs new life. I wouldn't want either ride removed, but there are things that can be done to improve this area. I think that moving the Giant Wheel into that area and building Wicked Twister has definitely helped. With the addition of Troika and Chaos, that should help even more. I think it's a time issue. You can't change things over night. Now if they would either paint Space Spiral and add air conditioning back into it or replace the cabin all-together that would also be nice.
I hope the PR department does watch this site. I think all of you have some great ideas. This is only my second posting as I've been too chicken to get on and take a chance on sounding stupid... so please bear with me if you disagree with anything I say. These threads are a place for us to vent, praise, dream, and yes, disagree on the one thing we all have in common... Our love for Cedar Point.
The park has not been catering to a select few. In the past five years they've added Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, Camp Snoopy, Lighthouse Point, Snoopy Rocks On Ice (though I was sad to see IMAX go), and Johnny Rockets. In order to increase or even maintain attendance change must happen. What if the body of a car never changed over the years? Would as many people buy new cars?
I don't think Mean Streak is a flop. It's just a rough ride. Aren't all woodies? Again, it's in a part of the park that just doesn't get a lot of attention. It's the farthest point from the main entrance. So many factors play into the attendance of an attraction. A racing wooden coaster would be very cool. How about a tube coaster where the track is on the sides of the train? Now that's a spiral! How about going under water!
Being a die hard Cedar Point fan, and growing up vacationing there, I miss several things. My family used to camp at Camper Village in the area that is now the parking lot for Soak City. The double ferris wheel (Sky Wheel, I think) was so much fun, along with the Giant Slide. And who can forget the Mill Race (turned Nestea Plunge) and Shoot The Rapids. Oh... then there's the Pirate Ride, Rotor, Jungle Larry's, and even the dolphins. All sadly missed. But like I said before... change must happen to increase or even maintain. I hope that the people in PR and even Park Planning never forget the great history that Cedar Point has. That's what draws the crowd most, along with a great atmosphere. Music, french fries, and smiles.
I'm not crazy about the name of the new ride either, but it's growing on me. And if I remember right from my downloaded video of it.... it's only 15 seconds long. I must say that after all of these years of riding coasters... this one has me a little nervous. My husband, of course, can't wait, and our oldest, who is only 8 even wants to ride it. She prefers the front seat on Magnum! We'll see!
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