Is it possible the top hat will be inverted?

I know this has been brought up before (I went through all five pages and couldn't find the thread, so if it is still there, I apologize), but after looking at the supports while at the park today, then reading some messages here and seeing some photos, I am left wondering....

Doesn't this support
http://www.setecx.com/pics/cp102602const/imagepages/PICT0240.html

in the background look suspiciously like these inverted track supports from this link: (posted by fred)
http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1635.htm?Picture=7

A cobra roll at 400 feet would definately be an interesting element. (Not that I am saying it would be that complex)

The only reason I think inversion, is that the large end is capped on top. This could mean the areas it is currently sitting, on that we cant see, have the holes for mounting, both for a support and a track piece.

Definately has me intrigued.. any thoughts?
*** This post was edited by Rturbo72 10/27/2002 10:51:15 PM ***

http://www.setecx.com/pics/cp102602const/imagepages/PICT0230.html

IT WONT BE INVERTED.

Its probably for the left side twist.

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*** This post was edited by Big D 10/27/2002 10:54:33 PM ***

Ok, before people go absolutely crazy, well, before too many people go crazy, everyone on these boards seems to think that the top hat will be non-inverting, and the evidence seems to agree, as do I.

A word of advice, try using the search feature before you post topics again, because this is the 50th topic on this same thought.

I think you are putting too much thought into it.

Unless of course you want to get technical, yes, it will be inverted. I say this because if a normal hat is like the one on Mr. Freeze, an Inverted top hat would be like Xcelerator's.

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From the looks of it (as in my best guess), the ride will go to the top of the tower exactly like Xcelerator at Knotts. After it reaches the maximum height, it will rotate the opposite direction of Xcelerator on the way down. This my friends would be a 270 degree rotation.. and calling that insane would be an understatement.

So to answer the question... I don't think you will be upside down on this ride at anytime.

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Ryan are you saying it rotates to the right 270 deg.by the time it gets to the top and then will go over the top right side up and on the way down rotate right 90 deg. and finish straight down and pull out and slow to brake ???

VEEERRRY in tres ting vut scary ,yes??
All this while attached to a rollercoaster.

Hmmmmm...
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Naa.. I believe it will still go over the top like Xcelerator, but when Xcelerator would start turning in order to be lined up for the pullout, this thing might very well turn the opposite direction and twist 270 degrees to the right. I think this is true because of this little support sticking out.

http://www.virtualmidway.com/popup/mysterypopup6001.asp?image=attraction453.jpg&title=Mystery%20Attraction

I could be wrong, but I think when going down this tower, it is going to be like Wicked Twister's back spike.

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Ryan, that's exactly what I have been thinking lately. A 90 degree rotation to the right on the way up (like Xcelerator), and then a 270 degree rotation to the right on the way down. I'm assuming that this piece will be the next (or one of the next) to go up on the down side tower, with the bottom of the support being on the left side of that pic. That way, the extension could point out the opposite way of the one that is already up... and the track would complete the 270.

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Yea dude.. its quite possible. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully this tower will be growing again very shortly.

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Wouldn't the up twist be to the left since it's turning left? I also think that it will be a 90 degree twist to the left, tophat, and then a 270 degree twist to the right.

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no its not

look at the tophat pieces, the connection is on the outside, the only possible way to attach them and have them curve correctly would be to have the train go over the top.

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CP_bound said:
Wouldn't the up twist be to the left since it's turning left?

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Since it is turning left, the train would have to twist to the right to stay on the outside of the track. I would consider Xcelerator's up twist to the left.

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Raptor323 said:
"Unless of course you want to get technical, yes, it will be inverted. I say this because if a normal hat is like the one on Mr. Freeze, an Inverted top hat would be like Xcelerator's. "

invert: a : to turn inside out or upside down b : to turn inward

Inversion: A part of the ride that turns riders upside down (http://www.snowboardcoaster.20fr.com/photo5.html)

I dont know about you, but it seems to me that a normal tophat like on Mr. Freeze is actually Inverted (since in coaster lang. that means UPSIDE DOWN), and xcelerator's and supposedly the 2003 ride is just simply an outward or "reverse" tophat.

Ryan,

I had wondered about that "roll" at the top, and I posted that idea in another topic... I'm with you all the way!

Hey cpkungfu....just a note....on your pic page, you have Goliath at Cedar Point then at SFMM. Might wanna fix that (assuming that is your page of course).

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Well, last Saturday I was looking at the structure with some other guests. We determined that since the supports turn inward going up the tower, that the tophat would be inverted, or at least you would be turned upside down while going through the tophat. Thus we think the ride would be L : (TH)^-1 : B. :)

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*** This post was edited by Mr. Magnum 10/29/2002 6:51:39 PM ***

If that support was the only support for the "twist", yes, the top hat would be inverted. But looking at the track in the parking lot, we pretty much know that the top hat will not be inverted. Therefore, there will likely be another support put up above the "inward" support that will turn "outward", and give the train the correct orientation to complete the top hat non-inverted.

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Yea...but wouldnt the twist have to be like on the WT, curve so it would provide clearence from the tower. so far all the twisted track in the parking lot is straight, and i dont see how it would provide clearence for the train and people and some extra space.

i'm not saying its going to be inverted, but it could be a come back from other elements??

possibility

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cpkungfu said:
I dont know about you, but it seems to me that a normal tophat like on Mr. Freeze is actually Inverted (since in coaster lang. that means UPSIDE DOWN), and xcelerator's and supposedly the 2003 ride is just simply an outward or "reverse" tophat.

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What the hell was I drinkin last night.

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