If you've had platinum passes for years so you get a discount

godsonsafari...You do realize that you are a) arguing on the internet and b) arguing with an individual that does not have the ability to understand phrases such as "I'm sorry, I was mistaken" or "I can respect your viewpoint."

thedevariouseffect said:
Yeah I'm glad I kept the popcorn

Care to share some? :)

MaverickLaunch said:
Simply because they choose to go forward with the purchase does not mean they give up their right to have an opinion on the process.

True.

But I always trouble taking someone seriously who is basically saying "I hate this! It's not fair that you're charging me this much! Here's my money."

Their agreeing to pay the stated price undermines their complaint.

^ So if I don't like somethings about this country, yet I live here and I pay taxes makes it so I cannot complain about the things that occur in this country? I fail to see the logic in your argument here.

djDaemon said:

Care to share some? :)

Certainly...Would you care for kettle corn or a bag of Orville Redenbacher :P

The sad part is that you guys continue to argue dj, knowing how he argues. This is not a great place to have some kind of "factual" p***ing match. Some of you are getting way to involved in this imo. Just leave him with his opinion if it really bothers you that much.

Dead Sexeh said:
^ So if I don't like somethings about this country, yet I live here and I pay taxes makes it so I cannot complain about the things that occur in this country? I fail to see the logic in your argument here.

Well, there's a difference between being a responsible citizen and paying ones taxes...and complaining about the cost of a private business transaction, but paying for it anyhow.

^ Ok lets try this scenario, I go to a restaurant and order a burger but, I don't like the taste of the burger and by your logic I am not allowed to complain to my friends about how bad the burger tasted because I bought it.

How is that related in anyway to what he's saying? If you had a bad burger, you complain to the restaurant and they either fix it or you stop going there. You don't eat the burger, complain to your friends and hope the restaurant fixes the problem after, somehow, seeing or hearing about your rants to your friends.
Your "living in this country" analogy isn't strong either.

TTD 120mph said:
How is that related in anyway to what he's saying? If you had a bad burger, you complain to the restaurant and they either fix it or you stop going there. You don't eat the burger, complain to your friends and hope the restaurant fixes the problem after, somehow, seeing or hearing about your rants to your friends.

I'm seriously glad thousands of people don't take your stance and instead choose to post to Tripadvisor, Yelp, Urbanspoon, offer Amazon product reviews, et al.

Dead Sexeh said:
^ Ok lets try this scenario, I go to a restaurant and order a burger but, I don't like the taste of the burger and by your logic I am not allowed to complain to my friends about how bad the burger tasted because I bought it.

Your complaint becomes invalid when you continue to eat lunch there every day despite saying it's not worth the money.

TTD 120mph said:
If you had a bad burger, you complain to the restaurant and they either fix it or you stop going there.

This.

It's not that there's no validity to the argument that the pass isn't a good value, but as noggin points out, it's hard to take the argument seriously when the transaction is made alongside the complaint.

I'm glad I started reading this thread :)

Man, this djDaemon guy may not understand what "ad hominem" means, but he sure is good at building these strawmen.

noggin said:

But I always trouble taking someone seriously who is basically saying "I hate this! It's not fair that you're charging me this much! Here's my money."

Their agreeing to pay the stated price undermines their complaint.

Alright my examples may not have been the best but, this still makes no sense to me. You are saying that consumers cannot have valid complaints because they use the product, but people who do not use the product have valid complaints about the product because they do not purchase it, therefore they are not supporting the product. There is merit behind the complaint and just because they purchased the product doesn't undermined the complaint. Think about it this way, there is no other product in the area that offers the same experience. There is basically one option in the area(cedar fair). So someone deciding to enjoy something they like to do doesn't undermined their complaint.

If you buy a product, find that it didn't have the value you expected, sure you have a valid complaint.

If you haven't bought the product yet and are already complaining it doesn't have the value you expect for that price and you go ahead and buy it anyway, your arguments carry a lot less weight.

Dead Sexeh said:
...You are saying that consumers cannot have valid complaints because they use the product...

There is merit behind the complaint and just because they purchased the product doesn't undermined the complaint.

Think about it this way, there is no other product in the area that offers the same experience. There is basically one option in the area(cedar fair). So someone deciding to enjoy something they like to do doesn't undermined their complaint.

Someone who buys a product that turns out to be unacceptable can have a valid complaint.

Someone who spends money while at the same time complaining about the cost they are paying really can't have a valid complaint.

If you don't find the price acceptable, don't buy the product. It's that simple.

If you were talking about feeding your family, or clothing your family, or housing your family, I'd have more sympathy. But we're talking about season passes to an amusement park. No one needs a season pass to an amusement park in order to live.

I'm sorry, someone buying a season pass to an amusement park while complaining at length about the cost is undermining their complaint.

godsonsafari said:
I'm seriously glad thousands of people don't take your stance and instead choose to post to Tripadvisor, Yelp, Urbanspoon, offer Amazon product reviews, et al.

Reviewing something and complaining about something can be 2 totally different things. But in what world does my stance suggest not submitting reviews to those types of sites? How you extrapolated that from my post is beyond me. My point (since I guess I have to further explain it) is that expecting a problem to be fixed well AFTER it has presented itself is a poor way to go about it.

You wouldn't go to a restaurant, have a "bad burger" served to you, leave without addressing the situation to a manager, complain to friends about it, then warn people on those sites about your experience. How in the hell is that fixing anything? If you want to do that and slam the place into the ground instead of actually trying to fix the situation, then you're in the wrong.

But please, continue to infer things I don't mean and complain about Dj's lack of understanding of fallacies and ad hominems while, inadvertently, making an ad hominem comment.

This is over a platinum pass?

^Yup..

Pay the 200, go 4 times, pays for itself and a bit over.

Go even more, you're in the green easily

And enjoy the connecting thrills :D