If you could change a ride layout?

It seems like what some of these ride-alterers would be happy with is a complete tear down and rebuild.

Maybe they should visit other parks in order to appreciate the fine layouts at Cedar Point.

^ Well the idea of this thread was supposed to be like a wish list. I didn't intend for it to be like Uncle Sam knocking at your door kind of thread. It's almost like that thread that asks what Cedar Point should get next, but instead improving an existing ride. And it always bums me out hearing people say that Rougarou is a head banger. In my opinion it's fine the way it is, which is why I love it so much! However, If they wanted to touch it up a little bit, the suggestions I made above would be the way to go.

Sorry to bum you out Shawn, but it is a headbanger. 🤣 Not that I haven’t learned some defensive riding techniques to mitigate it somewhat so I don’t hate it and try and get a ride or two in each trip. Didn’t happen yesterday though as the boys and I focused a bit more one some new experiences like marathoning Thunder Canyon and a couple of rides on Cedar Downs.

Speaking of Thunder Canyon the waterfalls are great and all but what I noticed on each ride there was one or two seats where the riders barely got wet at all. I guess the Russian Roulette nature of the layout adds to the tension and excitement but I what I noticed is this version has less soaking opportunities from the actual rapids than others I have been on. So I would say make it rougher!

And I say turn the falls off!
Once years ago we got on that ride and there were three older ladies who must’ve thought they were getting on the nice boat ride or something. They put their purses at their feet. Sure enough they were the ones who backed right under the falls. Their curly perms were flat, they were soaked to the skin, and when they picked their purses up lake water just poured out of em. I was on the other side of the raft and stayed high and dry.

Yeah, this thread blew up quickly. I think it was probably that change list I made but none of those are really financially feasible for Cedar Point, even if Cedar fair has quite a net worth to it. The only financially feasible ones I can see are adding more swings to Skyhawk and possible smoothing out a couple transitions on Magnum.

As for Shawn Meyer, I actually like the idea you have behind this thread. It's a bit different from what I've seen around here, and I am genuinely surprised that nobody has figured to ask this sort of thing.

Hey, Cargo Shorts, what are the defensive riding techniques you have learned? I've heard about keeping your head forward and I have tried that, but it never really works for me. I've also heard something about the 'magic seat' on arrow hypers, but I'm not quite sure. You have to sit in the middle of the 3 row car or something. It bums me out a little myself that Magnum is rough(and I've heard people complain about it being ungodly rough), and I don't want it torn down due to low ridership. I actually really like that coaster.

RCMAC, maybe they could make a schedule on the ride running with and without the falls? That way people who don't like to get wet and people who adore getting soaked would win. I know I don't agree with you on the whole 'turn the falls off' thing but, I think I can see what you're going for. Thunder Canyon would actually make a nice family ride if it didn't have the falls, and even with the falls I still think it's a good one. Probably for kids who want to do a water ride because it's 70 degrees out but are too afraid of Snake River Falls.

As for your story, it kind of calls up a question I had. Which seat do you sit in to get maximum soaking? I am one of those people who LOVE getting soaked, and I'm often sorely disappointed when I come off TC/SRF dry as a bone. How do you often feel about coming off TC dry? I honestly think it has to do with weight distribution in the raft, kind of like sailing. When you have heavy people on the low side of the boat they will get plastered with water. If you're on the high side, then you get soaked a lot less.

Oh, I don’t ride that ride anymore. The last thing I want is to be soaked to the underpants while I’m at Cedar Point. The very last thing.
And the rafts spin. “No two rides are the same!”

Turn the waterfalls off?!?!? What’s next OHSR on Cedar Downs?! :D

Skyhawk, sticking the neck out works for my kids but not for me. Not enough neck I guess. I just press my head back hard after the MCBR and it more rolls side to side a bit with a lot less force. Works for me with Raptor as well going into the station.

And I wouldn’t worry to much about them tearing Magnum down. Much cheaper to just let it continue to sink.

Skyhawk06 said:

As for Shawn Meyer, I actually like the idea you have behind this thread. It's a bit different from what I've seen around here, and I am genuinely surprised that nobody has figured to ask this sort of thing.

Zoug said:

Rougarou: Replace trains with 3 seat vest restraint trains, eliminate mcbr...

Thank you Skyhawk06 for your compliment dude. Yeah I was trying originally to bump an old topic, but couldn't find anything which was surprising especially since I've been on here since 2004.

Zoug I like that idea as well. Maybe they could just retrofit a 3 seat vest system with the current trains they have without breaking the bank. Add my idea in there and you have a high quality ride. Like I said I love Rougarou the way it is, but these are just wishful thinking ideas.

Or they could just give rougarou maverick's restraints. Those are real comfortable without being annoying like the vest restraints.

You're welcome Shaun. This thread is a good idea.

I actually have ridden other inverts so I can appreciate how much better they are than Raptor. Without even going as extreme a change as Banshee is, go take a ride on Afterburn. That ride is fantastic, intense, no mcbr and super smooth and only 5 years newer than Raptor. Walking up to that ride gives you no idea what you are about to experience.

I also think CP should steal the trains from Steel Force and put them on Magnum. LOVE how the bar can NOT clamp down on my legs. I would also change Blue Streak's trains back. After riding the Phoenix, I really missed the trains on Blue streak.

I would also put Storm Chaser trains on SV since ops are able to check the seatbelts with the lap bars down. I would also change SV so that it can run 3 trains...That would be REALLY awesome.

Zoug68 said:

I also think CP should steal the trains from Steel Force and put them on Magnum.

Or see about putting morgan trains on Magnum. I've ridden Steel Force before and it's so much easier to get in and out of compared to Magnum. Don't know If they would change it though because Magnum is an ACE landmark now.

No. Magnum doesn’t need to be retarded down to two trains. Maybe they should work at getting their shiny new mega-coaster working correctly the way it was intended before Frankensteining it.

I’d like to see them do something with XL 200. I ride it because lines are always short, and I love the scenery. But it rides like a shopping cart with a bad wheel.

Turn the 200 into a 400 and extend the track now that there’s room.

Reprofile the Mangarou track and buildings into a really great dark ride.

Mostly by removing the current structures... and replacing with a really great dark ride.

1000 years of force said:

Reprofile the Mangarou track and buildings into a really great dark ride.

Mangarou? Don't you mean Rougarou? Why would you want to reprofile it for?

I would prefer a lower capacity per ride if it meant a much more enjoyable ride experience, especially at a park with 18 coasters and over 50 other rides. As far as Magnum goes, I've been on several Sundays this year and have yet to see it run with 3 trains. The comment I made about stealing Steel Force's Morgan 2 trains was sarcasm. I would actually like 3 of those trains. Ridership on Magnum might actually go up again since I think it's still an awesome ride. The problem I encounter is that many newer people find the older designed coasters to be much rougher than the ones built after Magnum. Most don't ever want to ride it again, in my experience. It's kinda sad, but it's reality. All I ever hear is "It's too rough." I am always afraid to take newbies on Magnum because it bums me out a little when they don't enjoy it.

I never understood the "Magnum is rough" mindset. Magnum is not rough, the transitions are abrupt which makes it very fun.

I really don't understand the hate for Rougarou. The "headbanging" you're feeling is the butthurt from not getting the preferred restraints when they converted it. Take a chill pill and move on so other people can enjoy it.

The layout is great (I wouldn't change one section of it), it's still smooth as butter, and the line moves quickly. It just baffles me.

In addition to the Raptor discussion, the only thing it needs different is magnetic brakes. Otherwise, it's still among the top inverts in the country, and especially within 500 miles of the park.

Sparty42 said:

The layout is great (I wouldn't change one section of it), it's still smooth as butter, and the line moves quickly. It just baffles me.

I enjoyed your whole post buddy. The things I would change is the pressure points that cause head banging that people complain about. Maybe just have a more gradual turn heading into the mid-course brake run; that might cause head banging there. Also after the mid-course brake run, maybe take out the corkscrew. Like I said before, I'm fine with Rougarou the way it is too, but I also don't want Cedar Point to ever get rid of it either. I've become the Rougadude in my group of friends.

IF I could change a ride layout...... hmmm...... I would have Skyride extend back to Frontier Town. It could use that yellow building by Mine Ride & Skyhawk.