I just thought of something......
Since MF uses it's Elevator Lift, which takes riders up 103 feet per 10 seconds, how fast would MF be if it used the normal chain lift and only went about 5 MPH?
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Homer Simpson: Will you stop your spontaneous cussing?
Bart Simpson: Hell yeah.
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Homer Simpson: Will you stop your spontaneous cussing?
Bart Simpson: Hell yeah.
I got a question is that 103 feet per 10 seconds is that as in 103 feet from the ground, or is that 103 feet of track.
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Mantis How Much Can You Stand?
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Mantis How Much Can You Stand?
Not... quite.
300 vertical feet at 45 degrees = 450ft.
5mph = 7.333 ft/s
450/7.333 = 61.4s
It would take 1 minute and change with a chainlift.
300 vertical feet at 45 degrees = 450ft.
5mph = 7.333 ft/s
450/7.333 = 61.4s
It would take 1 minute and change with a chainlift.
Boy, I read that totally differently than everyone else. I thought he meant since it's already moving faster than normal over the lift that it has an advantage reaching that 92mph mark. What if it only went up at normal speed? Then how fast would MF be?
Did that make sense?
Did that make sense?
its 310 vertical feet. ive done the calculation before but i dont remember the number, i think its 428 feet...
The lift starts 10 feet off the ground, and even then isn't easily calculated unless you know the radius of the arc at the top of the lift. So, why don't we settle on 420something, OK?
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
"And he says 'I'm goin' crazy up there at the lake...'"
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
"And he says 'I'm goin' crazy up there at the lake...'"
I thought someone said it took 20 seconds to get to the top. That means it went around 210 feet every 10 seconds.
I meant, if the ride will go about 5 MPH up the hill would it go as fast DOWN the hill as if it was the Elevator?
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Homer Simpson: Will you stop your spontaneous cussing?
Bart Simpson: Hell yeah.
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Homer Simpson: Will you stop your spontaneous cussing?
Bart Simpson: Hell yeah.
The initial speed of a coaster as it crests the lift hill has a lot less of an effect on the ultimate speed than a lot of you may think.
first, let's assume for a moment that the 92 mph speed of Millennium Force is achieved when the train is released at the top of the hill with an initial speed of 10 mph.
now ask yourself this... what would happen in these 2 circumstances:
A) the train is released with just enough speed to get over the crest(we'll call it zero mph)
B) the train is released at a speed of 25 mph
you may think that in situation A the top speed would be much less.. possibly as low as 82 mph and that in situation B the top speed would be much greater... possibly as high as 107 mph.
in fact the top speed in situation A would be right around 91.5 mph and in situation B it would be around 94.5 mph.
the reason for this is that in situation A, the train will spend just under a half second MORE time in the drop(compared to the 10 mph train) due to its lower initial speed... this extra time allows it to gain an additional 9.5 mph which almost makes up for the 10 mph lower starting speed.
in situation B, the train will spend just over a half second LESS time in the drop, which will cause it to gain about 12.5 mph less... take that 12.5 away from the 15 mph higher initial speed and you end up with a net increase of only around 2.5 mph
a faster initial speed will increase the AVERAGE speed of the drop but it will have a much smaller impact on the top speed at the bottom of the drop.
i hope this didn't bore everyone that actually read it... if anyone has any questions about my numbers, feel free to ask :) ... now i think it's time for bed.
first, let's assume for a moment that the 92 mph speed of Millennium Force is achieved when the train is released at the top of the hill with an initial speed of 10 mph.
now ask yourself this... what would happen in these 2 circumstances:
A) the train is released with just enough speed to get over the crest(we'll call it zero mph)
B) the train is released at a speed of 25 mph
you may think that in situation A the top speed would be much less.. possibly as low as 82 mph and that in situation B the top speed would be much greater... possibly as high as 107 mph.
in fact the top speed in situation A would be right around 91.5 mph and in situation B it would be around 94.5 mph.
the reason for this is that in situation A, the train will spend just under a half second MORE time in the drop(compared to the 10 mph train) due to its lower initial speed... this extra time allows it to gain an additional 9.5 mph which almost makes up for the 10 mph lower starting speed.
in situation B, the train will spend just over a half second LESS time in the drop, which will cause it to gain about 12.5 mph less... take that 12.5 away from the 15 mph higher initial speed and you end up with a net increase of only around 2.5 mph
a faster initial speed will increase the AVERAGE speed of the drop but it will have a much smaller impact on the top speed at the bottom of the drop.
i hope this didn't bore everyone that actually read it... if anyone has any questions about my numbers, feel free to ask :) ... now i think it's time for bed.
OK it is now offical, it has been a looonnng off season. When we start getting into physics details (ugh!) into the new coaster, we need the park to open fast!
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Brian Z.
Hometown parks: Kennywood, Cedar Point!
23 days until The Force
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Brian Z.
Hometown parks: Kennywood, Cedar Point!
23 days until The Force
Who cares? Does it realy matter how fast you are going? It is bad in a way becaus eyou wont get to see Cedar Point form way up there.
If I wanted to sightsee I'd ride Space Spiral!
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
"And he says 'I'm goin' crazy up there at the lake...'"
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
"And he says 'I'm goin' crazy up there at the lake...'"
Yeah, but you are not as high!!!!111 :)
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Who else hasn't watched the MF cartoon in a while? LOL. *** This post was edited by Magnum is sinking! on 4/21/2000. ***
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Who else hasn't watched the MF cartoon in a while? LOL. *** This post was edited by Magnum is sinking! on 4/21/2000. ***
yeah, and you don't have the wind in your face...Looking out of glass makes the scene look like a picture. The best sightseeing tower is the one at PKI.
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