Height/Speed input

Something I would like to have a thread for.

People have been bringing up how physics prove that going 110mph cant get over a 400+ foot hill. I guess this theread is really more of a question, but here it goes...

S:TE is 415feet and goes just over 100mph, so couldnt it work? I have seen many things that if you put the height and speed to and multiply, its all relative, could this really work? I'm gonna go ask my physics teacher on monday, but until then I think it would be neat to discuss here. GO!

We'll see if it makes it to the top opening day ;)

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I'm not going to comment on the physics for Cedar Point's coaster... I do however, want to point out, that while S:TE is 415 ft. tall, the cars don't actually go anywhere near 415 ft. high.

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110 may not work, but I believe that 126 would get it over the top.

FloridaCoasterRider, yes that may be the case now but S:TE when it first opened came quite close to going to the 415ft mark

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The point at which the acceleration on this ride doesn't stop near the ground. It will be angled, and probably elevated to 50 feet or so. 110-120 could probably crest the tophat just fine.

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According to roller coaster data base, S:TE reaches about 330 feet I think.

While the height of STE is 415' the drop is only 328'

If you also take note the trains they use on STE they are smalll as small can be. going 100 mph on a train that small reduces the affect gravity has on it. Not by a lot, but by a little. if u have say, 3-5 additional cars trailing the front car, then going straight up, gravity has a bigger affect. nothing that is catastrophically substancial, but is enough to slow a bit. i do agree that 120 mph can get it up there. but none of us really know how high its going to be. we can just assume.

Wasn't it Galileo who dropped objects of differing mass from the Leaning Tower of Pisa and concluded that all objects fall at the same rate, regardless of mass? Gravity doesn't have a greater effect on more massive objects. If anything, maybe friction would, but that can depend on so many different things.

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*** This post was edited by Majin Heero 10/6/2002 1:21:10 AM ***

A larger mass would mean more inertia...

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FloridaCoasterRider said:
I'm not going to comment on the physics for Cedar Point's coaster... I do however, want to point out, that while S:TE is 415 ft. tall, the cars don't actually go anywhere near 415 ft. high.
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ok, thats true.... BUT

so you add about 10feet (425) and 20mph im sure that adding that much speed would be enough to kick it over an extra 40 feet or so
-Jon
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*** This post was edited by Draken_LC 10/6/2002 11:13:21 AM ***

More cars=more inertia. It makes it harder to stop so it goes further distance without losing as much speed.

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Majin Heero said:
Wasn't it Galileo who dropped objects of differing mass from the Leaning Tower of Pisa and concluded that all objects fall at the same rate, regardless of mass?

Actually, that is a common misconception. Back in Galileo's day they did not have accurate enough clocks to be able to measure the time it took to drop objects. Instead Galileo rolled balls down inclined planes up to 5 degrees. Each time the objects had the same acceleration and Galileo concluded that at any angle (including 90 degrees or free fall) the objects will accelerate at the same rate. Your history lesson for today, but this only applies to perfect physics world which none of us live in.

Well yeah, the tower thing is more of a "legend" than anything else...

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If S:TE had trains, the middle car would travel exactly as high as the single car currently travels. The front of the train would go higher, and the rear would not go as high.

Inertia is a function of mass, but so is the force of gravity acting upon an object. A larger train has more energy at the base of a hill, but gravity pulls down at it with exactly proportional force, so that it still can only travel as high as a smaller train with the same speed on the same hill.

My two cents.

-albert

CPcyclone said:
Gravity knows no force like Millennium Force.

That's a misunderstanding. I know others, I just like MF the best. ;)

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Hey im sorry to bug everyone with something stupid. but please tell me what S:TE is.

Thanks