Extended Closure

Out of genuine curiosity, when were those contracts signed?

That would be the question to ask. I'm betting the CW coaster was signed before TT2 was this big of a failure. TT1 had tons of problems during the opening year. Willing to bet it was opened more then TT2 was opened for.

Remember that time I said Zamperla was building this, offered evidence, and everyone basically ignored it? Was I being obtuse then? Definitely cute.

Remember the time Bobby Boucher showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?

I don't doubt that Zamperla is currently working with customers on projects, but if those contracts were signed prior to ~June of this year, the existence of said projects does not imply industry confidence in Zamperla's capabilities given the TT2 fiasco.

Now, if customers are still lining up and signing new contracts in recent weeks despite the TT2 fiasco, then that's a different story. Hence my curiosity as to when these projects kicked off.

Wild Mouse 2 confirmed. This time two cheese cars and a spike.

Don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.

Jeff:

Remember that time I said Zamperla was building this, offered evidence, and everyone basically ignored it? Was I being obtuse then? Definitely cute.

Remember when footers were poured and we were all saying that there would be a spike and you fought against us? You have a history of being obtuse. The living embodiment of the "I was only pretending to be *****ded" meme.

2020TpForSale:

Don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1966,

So you are the person who puts that in the comments section of almost every news article! I laugh at it every time I see it.

I don't think its a stretch to say Zamperla probably doesn't have another project of this size and complexity on the books currently no. I also don't think its a stretch to say they are still selling projects of which they have more experience on delivering upon.

Now don't be logical or anything. Lean into your feelings! That's how things work now. I mean, most of America thinks that crime is on the rise, when the opposite is true.

^who pissed in your corn flakes?

There may also be insider knowledge that we do not have that would lead others to still want to work with them. If customers know what the issue is they may not worry since it might not affect their other products. I don’t need a train that goes 120mph so I ain’t skurred.

BleauxJays:

I don't think its a stretch to say Zamperla probably doesn't have another project of this size and complexity on the books currently no. I also don't think its a stretch to say they are still selling projects of which they have more experience on delivering upon.

Fair, but the takeaway would be that this project has harmed, or at the very least prevented from establishing, Zamperla's reputation for being able to successfully deliver on large scale projects. And if the goal of taking on TTD 2.0 was to grow the company into one that can be relied upon to deliver on such projects, it is an abject failure.

I understand both sides of this argument. We all know Intamin was chosen to break the barrier of innovation and height for MF and TTD when no other park was looking to push these limits. We also know for many years that Intamin has had the label of unreliability for many of their attractions. However, from a business (and common sense) standpoint, it makes the most sense to see how a large project such as TT2 performs before signing any contract. Just like I’m sure many parks took caution with Intamin projects at first too.

Jeff:

Now don't be logical or anything. Lean into your feelings!

Your sarcasm belies your own point of logic and doesn't address my point.

I agree with Dj here. While this is a good learning opportunity for Zamperla, I think this project will harm them moving forward. Rumor has it that Cedar Fair had a running list of companies to not work with. RMC, Intamin and Lemon Chill. Wonder if Six Flags will adopt the same principle? If so, then Zamperla, RMC and Intamin will have a much smaller pool of potential customers state side.

While this is a good learning opportunity for Zamperla, I think this project will harm them moving forward.

Not necessarily. While this isn't exactly a good look for Cedar Point, I don't think there is an example of Cedar Fair writing off a manufacturer after one go. Intamin got to mess up quite a few times before those conversations stopped. RMC too.

I think much of this depends on if they can fix the problem, the cost of fixing the problem, and whether new problems arise in the coming years. If TT2 goes up this year or even 2025, but has no further issues, Cedar Fair can owe all this to the challenges of working with a coaster as extreme as TT2. But if they can't fix it or they see continued down time, even as the coaster is clear for operations, then we likely won't see Zamperla on any major project again for quite some time.

Its also entirely possible (Probable?) That Zamperla has adjusted their goals and realized they arent really set up to do these types of projects and would like to get this finished and behind them and back to their bread and butter.

I'm sure all of the other parks with 120+ mph roller coasters are watching this very closely indeed.

Jeff:

LOL!!