dragster theming

well if they just put on the spoiler i think that would be enough. they could do that without taking away any seating and also it would add the extra scenery to the train to make it just that much better.

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Well, you can't really dust for vomit.

I agree the spoiler would add a great touch to an already awesome ride. I suspect the issue is weight and wind resistance. Monty has said a 1 or 2 MPH shortfall in the launch speed can cause a rollback (which we all know destroys capacity). Hope the spoiler returns, but I dont think its going to happen.

Tom

Hmmm...maybe CP should have just took the extra couple minutes to look in the owners manual to see what the correct wheel nut torque for the lug nuts was suppose to be set at..........;)

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When you visit CP, visit my Mill, est. 1835

I dont know about anyone else but I would rather ride TTD safely and not have to worry about objects falling off the ride. Yeah, I really enjoyed the theming at the begining of the season, but I would rather have to theming gone than see someone get hurt.

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Enjoy your day Cedar Point, Americas Rollercoast!!!

Exactly...

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82

I agree, but don't you think they could come up with a spoiler that's areodynamic enough to withstand 120mph without slowing the ride down. Something a little level with the seats.

I would like to see the theming elements make a comeback... although they weren't essential for the ride, the theming made it a bit more exciting, in my opinion. At the very least, I think most of us could agree that the theming wouldn't hurt (assuming it could be done safely).

What I think is much more important is getting all 6 of those trains to run all at the same time... I don't think I ever saw it using all of them the way it was designed, someone correct me if I'm wrong?
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'02, '03 Foods Area Sup (area 3)
'04 Head Area Sup?

Was the theming nice?- No doubt. But if they were to put it back on, there would have to be a 0% chance that it would ever happen again. If it would happen again, and someone would unfortunatly get hurt, the settlement would have more 0's than anyone of us could dream of. It is just not worth the risk.

And- CP's insurance company probably told them they could not put it back on due to the history and the risk.

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Beer and golf Thursday thru Monday, Cedar Point & beer, Tuesday and Wednesday.

The 6 train question...proof of the difference between theory and reality. With the current safety system design, Dragster will always have a higher capacity with 5 trains as opposed to 6. This is because the Brake Block was never designed to bring a train to a complete stop. The Hold 2 Block is the first location a train can come to a complete stop. Theoretically this idea was fine...you just move the trains through the station faster. In practice, this idea fails miserably...at the speed the trains would need to move through the station to make 6 trains better than 5, the trains possess too much kinetic energy for the drive wheels to stop them in the proper locations (the trains overshoot their final position).

Solution(s):
- Use different tires on the drive wheels...already tried, nothing currently in production was found.

- Change the last set of drive wheels on the brake block to be non-descending, add catwalk an additional train length beyond the electrical room (these 2 steps allow a train to come to a complete stop in the Brake Block), and redo the PLCs so that as soon as the Brake Block is clear a train can be launched...as of yet, not attempted, possibly a future plan of action. ;)

Until then, 5 will always be better than 6...1500pph is a myth, the best you'll ever see dragster pull in its current incarnation is 1150pph...do the cycle time study, and prove it to yourselves.

Finally, can we just lay this to rest...before it becomes another Magnum is sinking rumor...the theming was not, I repeat NOT, removed for "aero"dynamic reasons!...Now, if you remove the "aero" prefix, you have the type of reason for why it was removed...I'll leave you to figure out the remainder (may I recommend a course in experimental non-linear dynamics followed by an indepth analysis of the occurances at T-9).

There, you all have your homework assignment. I promise if you follow through with this assignment you will know the root cause for the theming removal and appreciate the magnitude of why it is highly unlikely that it will be returning. I apologize in advance for this little coniption.
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TTD '03 Crew
69 Launches - 65 Complete Circuits
Which of the 4 TL's will be listed in the SOP manual?

You had WAy too much free time last year Patrick..

Just kidding... wish you were coming back...

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82

Rob, what else was there to do during the downtime. :)
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TTD '03 Crew
69 Launches - 65 Complete Circuits
Which of the 4 TL's will be listed in the SOP manual?

(may I recommend a course in experimental non-linear dynamics followed by an indepth analysis of the occurances at T-9).

No, you may not... I thought my schooling was tough, Computer Science at U at Buffalo... But wow, good post! I'll take your word for it.
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'02, '03 Foods Area Sup (area 3)
'04 Head Area Sup?

Purdue, All the TL's will be listed in the Manual. Always give credit where due.

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- Chris -
Monster/WW ATL 02
Monster WW TL 03
Antiques/Swings TL 04

Chris,
I agree that credit should be given where it's due. But if that is the case, then the entire work force from last summer would be listed. Everybody in that park had to deal with the effects of that ride. BTW, apparently the correct answer is 2.

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TTD '03 Crew
69 Launches - 65 Complete Circuits
Which of the 4 TL's will be listed in the SOP manual?

arearew said:
(may I recommend a course in experimental non-linear dynamics followed by an indepth analysis of the occurances at T-9).
No, you may not... I thought my schooling was tough, Computer Science at U at Buffalo... But wow, good post! I'll take your word for it.

Oooooh, yea! Sometime I get to look forward to as a Purdue Engineering Freshman...;)

I'm going to flat out say it.... not having the spoiler on the back takes away from the ride. There I said it! If you're going to take of the back spoiler, you might as well change the front of the trains too. Because when I look at that ride with just the front fins it really looks pathetic! I don't think they should EVER put back on the wheels... but the spoilers SHOULD go back on.

alright... flame away...

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Arms down.....Arms down.....Arms down.......Arms down.....Arms down....Arms down...(you think they would get it the first time?!)

2003-TTD-15 Rollbacks-1
2004- Demon Drop (first year)

I disagree with you, I think the spoilers and axials should be redesigned with better materials and better construction, then reattached.

There are two problems however. In reattaching the theming, someone could easilly send in a picture of the tire that had fallen off and send it to some media that will pay them for a story. The other is liablity if the theming ever falls off and injures someone. The fact that it had fallen off before presents a very strong case against Cedar Point in the future.

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Eddy the retard is awesome.

To my knowledge there was nothing wrong with the spoiler though. Just the fact that the tires wouldn't stay on the ride with the way they were attached.

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Arms down.....Arms down.....Arms down.......Arms down.....Arms down....Arms down...(you think they would get it the first time?!)

2003-TTD-15 Rollbacks-1
2004- Demon Drop (first year)

Your right, they should of really bolted those baby's down.

While I loved the way the tires looked but, I was in line last year when the tire fell off. It was at closing time so I don't think anyone got hit. The bad part was the hour extra wait because they had to remove two of the five trains. But to Cedar Point's credit, They finished out the line. I got to my car to my about 12:45am. They could have just said sorry broken. Hell, you heard that all summer.