Debate: Cameras and DV on Dragster
Old Timer Tim said:
Maybe there can be "camera time" during ERT at coaster club events?
Just because someone is an enthusiast (or attending an enthusiast event) doesn't mean they know how to handle a camera on a ride.
I'm comfortable with the current rule. I do, however, wish they would take the current exception and expand it to those rides which are less dynamic: Giant Wheel, Sky Ride, CP&LE, Paddlewheel ... even Antique Cars, etc.
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Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
*** This post was edited by Gemini 7/15/2003 6:12:48 PM ***
Either that, Or a head cam. I seen somebody have one of those lenses that strap on to your head. Which is incredible, but really expensive. I think this is more safe then some change flying out of somebody's pocket at really high speed.
BTW, I dont plan on taking any of my cameras on any coasters. Just a little safety system i developed.
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The policy reads "For safety reasons, taking pictures, videotaping or filming on rides is prohibited," but apparently the unwritten exception is Space Spiral. I'd like to see that exception expanded.
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Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
*** This post was edited by Gemini 7/15/2003 10:04:07 PM ***
Wow, I never knew that you wern't allowed to take pictures on those rides. I have taken pictures on Giant Wheel, Sky Ride, CP&LE, Paddlewheel, and on the bumpercars, sometimes even while talking to a ride-op. I even asked the ride-op on the bumpercars on if I could film. My guess the rule is only on the ride to protect the park, incase something really weird happened and its like the rule where you have to hold on to the restraints on roller coasters; its a rule, but no one cares if its broken (or they would yell at lots of people all day long).
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Gemini said:
Well, I suppose it is up to the ride op to enforce the rule.Walt Schmidt
so are you saying if the ride ops says its ok, then its ok? because ive taken mydigital camera on raptor, mean streak, wildcat, magnum, wicked twister and at least a couple others where the ride ops just told me to be careful and hold on thight to it. am i still braking the rules at that point? its smaller than most cel phones so do the ride ops just asume it ok? and if a ride op on one ride says its ok, then how is even the gp supposed to obey rules when the ride ops are allowing it on other rides and giving mixes signals? im confused now.ttd
Old Timer Tim said:
Maybe there can be "camera time" during ERT at coaster club events?
The unfortunate incident at Holiday World early this season demonstrates that enthusiasts are no better, and frequently sometimes worse, when it comes to common-sense things...
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so are you saying if the ride ops says its ok
No, I didn't say that. The ride op can't see everything at all times. Obviously people get away with it - there are plenty of examples around. That doesn't make it right.
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Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
*** This post was edited by Gemini 7/16/2003 5:26:25 PM ***
Gemini said:
so are you saying if the ride ops says its okNo, I didn't say that.
but you said it's up to the ride op to enforce the rules. so if you went on mean streak and you asked the ride op, can i take pictures, and the ride op says sure, just hold on tight to the camera, which is whats happened to me several times on differnt rides, am i still braking the rules? this is what im confused about.
ttd
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Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
MFJedi said:
It still all boils down to one question-What don't you understand about NO CAMERAS ON RIDES? It's a simple statement with clear meaning. Ohio Law is law and CP's rules are as well,especially when stated as clearly as this one is.
please forgive that ive only been an enthusisast for a short amount of time but ive been going to many parks for many years. i guess i was always an enthusiast but never knew it. :) anyway, i wasnt talking about just ohio parks, but parks in general. ive been to parks in ohio, california, florida, and pensylvania and before i was an enthuasist and would go to parks with friends, the rules didnt seem to mean that much. and i know a lot of my friends i went to school with see it the same way. the signs say dont put your hands up but everyone does it and the park doesnt throw you out for it. so why should that be any different for bringing a camera on board especially if i ask the ride op and they say yes? same thing with line jumping. i would never line jump but i see a lot of people do it and 99% of them do not seem to get caught. im not defending myself saysing its wrong to brake the rules for taking my digital camera on or even for putting my hands up, but if the same sign that says no hands up also says no cameras but they dont yell at the people for hands up and i see line jumpers everyday then how can someone take any of the other rules seriously? i hope im making my point clear and im not trying to be arguing im just saying how i think most of the normal park people see the rules.
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There is a slight difference in amounts of potential danger to other guests from the rule about no cameras compared to no line jumping or no hands up. Your hands and arms can't fly loose and hit someone else in the face at 120mph and last I saw line jumping caused no physical harm to other guests either.
Yes,technically they are rules that are broken,but it is not uncommon for even regular state and local laws to be enforced based on effect. I mean it's illegal in some states to say "damn" in public or to kiss your wife in public,but people aren't thrown in the clink for that,yet the same law officials jail murderers.
What is it that people don't understand about this issue? This is a potential 2 pound projectile that could hit someone in the face at over 100mph!! Does anyone who wants to do this have any common sense? Maybe Jeff was right,there isn't much common sense left on this board lately.
*** This post was edited by MFJedi 7/17/2003 5:56:18 PM ***
Because of the need to legally cover their @$$, parks will warn you against every possible eventuality. It is demonstrably unsafe to stand up on a roller coaster. It is demonstrably unsafe to lean out to the outboard side and try to tag supports during the ride. It is not demonstrably unsafe to stick your arms straight up in the air during the ride. And yet, so that the park has "we told you not to do it" as a defense, the prohibition is given with all the emphasis of the 'do not stand up' rule. The unintended consequence of all this is that all of the park's published rules become equally meaningless to the typical rider.
Did you notice the signs that went up all over Cedar Point last year? The ones that state that, "All passenger restraint systems, including lap bars, shoulder harnesses and seatbelts, must be positioned and fastened properly to allow guests to ride." The ones that were posted on every ride in the park, including those rides which are not equipped with lap bars, shoulder harnesses or seat belts. And this year things got even worse: Now there are signs on a lot of the rides in the back of the park telling you to sit upright and keep your head and shoulders against the seatback. On the train, which am I supposed to do: sit upright, or put my shoulders against the seatback? I can't do both; the seatback isn't that high! You see what is happening. Instead of useful information and meaningful warnings, we're getting bombarded with meaningless, useless boilerplate...and the parks wonder why people ignore the rules. You'd think it would be obvious by now!
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Brian Noble said:
Pete, that article is mainly anecdotal evidence and proof-by-assertion. I remain unconvinced.Take the German example. Having driven them both, I bet you'd find that the density of cars on the Autobahn is a fraction of that on the Ohio Turnpike. Also, the US has relatively weak drunk driving laws compared to Germany (and most of the rest of Europe.) Trying to compare accident rates is useless unless you can normalize for these factors.
Sorry about the off topic posts, I hope some people find this discussion interesting. I think the traffic density in Germany and the Ohio Turnpike is similar many times, especially during vacation season in Germany. The lanes are wider on the Autobahn though.
What really helps is that the Germans have great lane discipline, driving in the left lane only to pass, and then moving back to the right lane immediately. There is never a problem with faster vehicles getting through. This really improves traffic flow, which is a major enhancement to safety. Lane discipline like this in the U.S. would drastically increase safety IMHO.
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Put it this way, under the cobra roll of raptor it is not uncommon to find pieces of cameras on the ground, mostly over in the turnpike/cad area which is where alot of kids are riding, and more then a few employees have dodged items.
Under ohio law if a ride op tells you something and you choose otherwise, the ride op has legal rights to charge you themselves, they don't need for the park to step in.
Be smart, have fun, and respect others everyone is only their to have a good time.
Cheers!
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OMG! The Space Spiral is leaning!!" Must be the weight of that new air conditioning system everyone keeps hypothesizing about...
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