Debate: Cameras and DV on Dragster
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on a villain side note, i lost my sunglasses on that ride. went over the first hump and they flew out of my pocket, floated above me and all the other riders, a guy two or three rows reached out and almost grabbed them. was a funny situation, felt like slow motion, but i can imagine what would have happend had that been my camera or cellphone.
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*** This post was edited by ttdboy@hotmail.com 7/14/2003 2:22:03 PM ***
Take the German example. Having driven them both, I bet you'd find that the density of cars on the Autobahn is a fraction of that on the Ohio Turnpike. Also, the US has relatively weak drunk driving laws compared to Germany (and most of the rest of Europe.) Trying to compare accident rates is useless unless you can normalize for these factors.
ttdboy: not all enthusiasts are created equal, safety-wise. Events of this year should make that painfully obvious.
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*** This post was edited by Brian Noble 7/14/2003 3:17:30 PM ***
Cedar Point's ride rules should be followed as they request, it is their park and it is just not good etiquette to disobey them. I hope whoever has that picture/video has a good time with it. But never should they complain if something were to happen to it.
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It's simple.. it is a violation of Ohio Revised Code to dissobey written and audio instructions on a state inspected amusement ride. CP states no photo or video taping on rides. It's as simple as that.
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Remember,no matter how simple a statement-in this case a law-reads, there is always someone going "but what about this,what about that,blah blah blah blah blah...". It's amazing people are like this,but it's true.
Common sense should also rule in this case too,but there hasn't been a whole lot of that around lately. Think-holding a 2 pound camera out in front of you,the train goes to over 120mph in a few seconds,can you react at launch to have your hands and arms not move and still hold onto the camera? There is a huge difference in taking a picture on Dragster and taking one in a car at 100mph. YOur car doesn't fire you off like a rocket with little or no warning, Dragster does.There is video on the CP website,that is better than any amateur is going to get holding a camera on the ride.
Is getting a video worth hitting someone and taking their eye out or worse? People have been killed by a lot less than a camera hitting them in the temple at 120mph. Think of what the mayflies feel like on Magnum at 70mph or Millennium Force at 93,they feel like BB's hitting your face,what is a camcorder going to feel like. Yes,I know,you are the one sole person in the world that can hold it at 120,you're Superman. Put your family behind you or under the ride when holding it-are you willing to take that chance with your loved ones? Hell no-then don't take it with mine.
*** This post was edited by MFJedi 7/14/2003 6:01:25 PM ***
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Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
MFJedi said:
Think of what the mayflies feel like on Magnum at 70mph or Millennium Force at 93
I don't think they like it very much.
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In fact, I've tried Space Spiral too, with some fairly decent results.
And for the record, I believe that I could take my MiniDV cam on any ride without it flying out of my hand. It fits in the palm of my hand. Of course, the economist in me says that $700 of video equipment is 100x safer in my fastened pocket. Because of that, it always stays there.
However, Disney (probably due to the fact that the place is so damn touristy) has a real lax view on the subject. I see old VHS cameras on rides there all the time, and no one seems to care. I'm not sure if there is a rule about it, but it certainly is no secret that cameras are pretty much taken anywhere at those parks.
That said, I'm pretty sure that Disney doesn't have any 310 foot monsters that travel at speeds damn near 100 MPH.
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*** This post was edited by I-Nar 7/14/2003 10:16:16 PM ***
Michael Darling said:
If the park says "don't do it" just don't do it. It's against Ohio law for any rider to disobey any posted or spoken warnings or instructions.Do we really need to question Ohio law here?
The guy in question shouldn't have done what he did, as he shouldn't have done a lot of other stuff he has done. Great way to get blacklisted at a park, too.
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- John
I Snap Flyers
Not to mention getting in huge legal trouble from not only the park (strict rule of no flash photography) but also the state if that is an actual law.
ttdboy@hotmail.com said:
personally i think the rules are dumb. i've taken my digital camera on just about every ride at cp in cluding ttd and that thing is safer in my hands than in my pocket. i've seen many cel phones, pagers, wallets, etc fly out on rides, but my camera is secure and safe in my hands with the strap. if they are going to enforce the ruels of no lose objects, they should make you dump everything out of your pockets into a dish like they do at the airport. i feel safer on a ride knowing an enthusaist has a camera than the normal idiot gp with thier cel phone in the pocket.ttd
*** This post was edited by ttdboy@hotmail.com 7/14/2003 2:22:03 PM ***
Yeah... that's smart... make a line that is usually an hour long take four hours because people want to 'empty their pockets'. I wouldn't be surprised if all new coasters at CP go to 'no anything' rules like WT, MF, TTD, Demon Drop, Corkscrew, Mantis, etc. have of no stuffed animals, no purses, backpacks, etc. While it takes a little longer to get in line, it makes it SO much faster loading ppl in when they don't have these items. I worked a few days at another ride that allowed them and it drove me INSANE because it takes people so long to secure something like a full sized bookbag. Moral of this story?: Don't bring your bookbags/bags/backpacks to CP at all. Put some $$ in a safe pocket, get a drinking cup, and be set for the day.
Red Garter Rob said:
It's simple.. it is a violation of Ohio Revised Code to dissobey written and audio instructions on a state inspected amusement ride. CP states no photo or video taping on rides. It's as simple as that.
That's exactly what I was trying to say.
Often times, depending on the ride, person, and camera, a camera can be more safely secured if held than if stowed. The point I was trying to make isn't a safety issue (I know Robb can hold on to his camera securely, I've seen some of his videos) but a legal issue. If the park says "don't do it" and you do it anyway it's against Ohio law (and also PA law and CA law... not sure about other states).
See my point now?
Can it be a safety issue? Yes, it can. Even the most experienced on-ride camera guy can drop his camera, I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the fact that it's against the law here in Ohio (if you're living in a cave, Ohio is the state that Cedar Point is in) to do ANYTHING on a ride that the park and its designees say not to do.
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- John
I Snap Flyers
I see no problem in it!
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Tmsnake said:
Put it this way then, If you had your own TTD in your own backyard that was all yours. You made your own Rules, you called the shots. Would you let people take a camera on it?
Seeing as I would be held responsible for what happens to people on my property - hell no!
I'd play it safe like CP.
Then again, if I had TTD in my backyard, the rest of you would be watching me ride...repeatedly ;)
Lord Gonchar is not good at sharing :)
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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 7/15/2003 3:00:15 AM ***
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