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May I ask the Mac users what AntiVirus/Spyware program you're using? ;) *** Edited 3/14/2007 10:51:13 PM UTC by Gomez***

Apple is copying Microsoft, but that's par for the course in the software industry. Plus, Apple can actually release product in a timely fashion, making it look as if MS is the one copying. That's where taking half of a decade to release an XP update comes back to bite you.

Also, Vista > XP.

I think that apple and microsoft are just in a huge battle. First the ipod then the new zune that looks almost the same in ways. I have worked on pcs for 20 years and the only huge change from xp to vista is the security and graphics. it does look however that microsoft is trying to copy osX a little in my opinion.

Well, actually, its Bill who is doing the copying. Jobs is the one who developed the GUI interface. Bill copied it and has been trying to keep up ever since.

true, but you have to give it to the both jobs he is a pure genius and bill is just someone who overheard a conversation in the beginning of it all.

The iPod/Zune thing is a joke.

Apple made the perfect product at the perfect time, with perfect advertising. Even Apple is amazed in the iPod's sucess.

They might have been slightly amazed at how quickly the iPod took off, but that's passed. iPod was in development for about 20 years. They had an idea for a product and actually had to wait for technology to catch up to where they could put out a product they were happy with.

No, Apple got the GUI and mouse from Xerox, then MS got it from Apple.

The Zune is horrible, and most of the newer features in OSX (Spotlight, for example) were first developed by MS, then implemented far more rapidly by Apple.

ADDED: History of Xerox PARC.
*** Edited 3/15/2007 1:55:07 PM UTC by djDaemon***

ipods are technological marvels, i have repaired them on many occasions and the insides are just amazing.

JuggaLotus said:
They might have been slightly amazed at how quickly the iPod took off, but that's passed. iPod was in development for about 20 years. They had an idea for a product and actually had to wait for technology to catch up to where they could put out a product they were happy with.

Are you sure about that? Apple had to interest up until Napster took the world by storm and the other MP3 players were so crappy (not up to Steve's standards). The development of the iPod actually all happened in one year.

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I could be wrong. My understanding was that they had an original plan to do a portable music player back in the 80's, just didn't have a way to make it work because of the tech at the time. It was when MP3's were developed and actually took off (can you imagine if that had bombed, which could have happened if the RIAA hadn't bent everyone over on CD's) and Apple saw the market that they built the iPod. Which did happen in less than a year.

Maybe they were trying to develop a solid state portable music device in the 80's, but they didn't know anything about MP3's or how it'd be stored. My guess is they were looking at how to store analog data in a solid state device.

MP3s didn't really get big until about 97 or 98. I had seen on thinkgeek a 'portable' mp3 player right around 2000 that ran on a hard drive, but basically it was like having a 3.5" IDE drive in your pocket. Apple just refined that as far as I know.

You're all wrong. There is no patch to be made because it doesn't depend on the operating system. All times are stored as UTC and translated by the forum.

That said, v7.x of the forum won't get the new code, so you'll have to add an hour for the next two or three weeks.

^^ well the MP3 format (heck MPEG itself wasn't formed till late 80's) wasn't around when they looked at it. And the early MP3 players all used flash memory. It was when a compact High Density HDD became available that allowed multiple gigabytes of info to be stored at once. That's when the iPod hopped on the scene.

You're right, a 3.5" HDD in the pocket wasnt' exactly a compact portable music player.

Even more off topic, and I'm not advocating the following, but I am curious: has anybody ever taken an iPod on a coaster? If you picked the right tune, that would be an incredible experience. Imagine riding Millie while listening to ACDC or NiN at full volume . . . :)

I know I'm going to get whacked on this by the safety-minded from one direction and ride purists on the other, but consider. Cedar Point forbids loose articles on their coasters, but one could certainly secure an iPod in a zippable pocket, with only ear buds exposed (which could also be made secure by feeding them through a shirt button or some such). They certainly wouldn't be any more hazardous than wearing glasses with a glasses strap.

As far as the ride purists who would suggest that trying to augment the natural roller coaster experience is a heresy that must be met with flames, well, that's a matter of personal preference. How about if a techno-wiz constructed a soundtrack that was tied to the ride elements, so that the pace picks up cresting the top of the lift hill, or breaks into a wicked guitar riff while entering Raptor's batwing?

Again, not suggesting anybody go out and try this, or in any way break the rules. Just thought it would make an amazing experience even more incredible.

Edit: An unrelated item: my five-year-old daughter Ava wishes to tell everybody that she loves Cedar Point and fast roller coasters and loves getting on log rides because they go splash at the end. :) :)
*** Edited 3/15/2007 8:33:27 PM UTC by Ensign Smith***

i would have to rice ttd or mantis with ready to go playing...

this is way off topic for pointbuzz, but anyway...

You guys do know that Bill Gates worked for Apple in the early 1980's, right?

He thought the company should go in a different direction and market thier OS to IBM and other Personal and Business computer manufacturers.

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, on the other hand, wanted thier OS to stay proprietary on their machines.

So Bill started working on his own OS, closely mimicking the MAC OS as much as he could while avoiding copyright laws. There is even speculation that he was working on his new OS while still working at Apple.

Where Mr. Gates is a genious was not in his Copycat OS. It was in his marketing. He made his money because his OS could be installed on so many more systems, not because his product was superior.

Even Vista is a major OSX copycat.
Sidebar = Dock (which OSX had in 2000) is just one example of many "new" features windows has that OSX has had for years.

Many people who are "mac haters" simply have not had the time to spend on a mac to get to know it. There is a reason that Apple's market share is growing, ever so slow as it is.

I used to be a PC programmer/tech. I now mainly use My Macintosh machines. I now have a G3 iMac, g4 Powermac (which I custom built, it is a myth that you cannot custom build macs), and a G4 Powerbook. My Windows machines sit on the desk virtually unused, except to check formating of website designs and whatnot.

Ignorace is Bliss I guess. It is worth checking out the mac, trust me.

(and I do not have virus protection installed on any of my machines, and have never had a virus, malware, adware, or anything in 6 years of being connected to the net full time. It took one of my test PCs (XP) a whole two days before it got infected.) *** Edited 3/15/2007 8:47:41 PM UTC by James K.***

You called out one of my biggest complaints and one of the strongest points for MacOS. The hardware issue. Because it will only run on their specified hardware means they own the whole thing, and makes it impossible to get a good hardware competition to really drive prices down.

The flip side, and their strong point, is that since they are able to build OSX to run on a very small subset of hardware, they can close it up very easily.

I just wish I could get my hands on MacBook Pro (although I've heard that with 2G memory, WOW will run fine on the regular MacBook).

I've actually spent time on a mac and didn't like the way the OS functioned. I felt that there was too much to it honestly.

But then again, I'm happy with a simple Fluxbox window manager. The more lightweight the better.

Jeff said:
You're all wrong. There is no patch to be made because it doesn't depend on the operating system.

No, actually I was talking about his PC - not the forums.

Since he's running the all-powerful Vista, I guess he doesn't have that problem.