DANGER, DANGER! More fast pass stuff
For those of you who would like to read the Toledo Blade story Tim is talking about, go to:
http://www.toledoblade.com/editorial/news/0f27mill.htm
In again reading some of the posts above, I'm wondering why people think TTR is unfair. It's still a first come first serve system, the earlier you get your ticket the earlier you get to ride. Why anyone would want to stand in line for a couple hours, rather than doing other stuff and coming back after 2 or 3 hrs and waiting minutes is beyond my understanding. Change is not a bad thing, this can really improve the quality of the time you spend in the park if you just give it a chance.
http://www.toledoblade.com/editorial/news/0f27mill.htm
In again reading some of the posts above, I'm wondering why people think TTR is unfair. It's still a first come first serve system, the earlier you get your ticket the earlier you get to ride. Why anyone would want to stand in line for a couple hours, rather than doing other stuff and coming back after 2 or 3 hrs and waiting minutes is beyond my understanding. Change is not a bad thing, this can really improve the quality of the time you spend in the park if you just give it a chance.
I must interject again.
With all this complaning and bellyaching this board is starting to sound like rollercoaster.rec! All of this bad mouthing the Point and constant whining about how this new idea (mind you it is still an idea because it isn't known if it will be permanent) is making us ALL look bad. As I said before, give CP some time, they read this board and they know what we are saying. If they want a "standby" line, they'll try it. GIVE THEM TIME. And stop whining!!!
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-The Pants Has Spoken
"Yellow line? What Yellow Line..." *** This post was edited by SquishyPants on 6/27/2000. ***
With all this complaning and bellyaching this board is starting to sound like rollercoaster.rec! All of this bad mouthing the Point and constant whining about how this new idea (mind you it is still an idea because it isn't known if it will be permanent) is making us ALL look bad. As I said before, give CP some time, they read this board and they know what we are saying. If they want a "standby" line, they'll try it. GIVE THEM TIME. And stop whining!!!
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-The Pants Has Spoken
"Yellow line? What Yellow Line..." *** This post was edited by SquishyPants on 6/27/2000. ***
I was thinking the r.r-c analogy myself. That's part of the problem with the enthusiasts over there. Too much, "I'm going to take my ball and go home if I don't get what I want!"
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Cedar Point Virtual Midway
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All the same, when I'm going cross-country to visit parks, like a lot of them do, it's easy to detour around an unfriendly park.
And another thing, what is it with the CP idolatry around here? You are as bad at r.r-c, except you swing the other way, denying the possibility that CP could screw up. They've done it before and they'll do it again.
And another thing, what is it with the CP idolatry around here? You are as bad at r.r-c, except you swing the other way, denying the possibility that CP could screw up. They've done it before and they'll do it again.
I don't see much CP idolatry around here these days :) My comment was directed towards those coaster enthusiasts who feel an amusement park owes them something. THAT topic has been here before.
I'm often critical of Cedar Point (ask Jeff about our recent e-mails) and I'm not defending them now. The problem I see here is enthusiasts overreacting over something that has been in place for a few days. Stop cutting up your season pass and let the system work itself out.
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I'm often critical of Cedar Point (ask Jeff about our recent e-mails) and I'm not defending them now. The problem I see here is enthusiasts overreacting over something that has been in place for a few days. Stop cutting up your season pass and let the system work itself out.
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Alright, I haven't been to the park for a while and haven't seen this new system work yet, but this is the way I see it. If you want to wait that 1.5-2 hours to ride it GO AHEAD! Sit on a bench near the entrance until your time to ride. The basic idea is that you are waiting your turn, but not waiting in line. You still enjoy the park, and you get more time to do so. I really don't see anything wrong with this. And keep in mind, CP is not an enthusiast park, it's a family park, and they are trying to keep that reputation.
So far this has been hands-down, the worst year at CP that I can remember in 20 years of going there.
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"Magnum + Prozac= Millennium Force *** This post was edited by Vince on 6/27/2000. ***
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"Magnum + Prozac= Millennium Force *** This post was edited by Vince on 6/27/2000. ***
Isn't there a cure for this caner or anything? I don't knwo about others but a long wait in DT can actaully be nice because you can take in the a/c. I can really see Raptor having this, it never seems to have a short line. Mantis to soem extent I see, if the ride ops wouldn't be slow than the CPFP cancer wouldn't spread to this. Good thing my good 'ol favorite Maggie is being infected with the cancer... Attn: CP if you are reading this, I din't suggest anything by mentioning Magnum, ok?
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Brian Z.
Hometown parks: Kennywood, Cedar Point!
Feel the Force NOW!!
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Brian Z.
Hometown parks: Kennywood, Cedar Point!
Feel the Force NOW!!
Gemini,
Amusement parks do owe us something. We are paying admission, and buying overpriced food. As a customer I'd expect customer service.
Amusement parks do owe us something. We are paying admission, and buying overpriced food. As a customer I'd expect customer service.
They do owe their customers something - in exchange for admission, etc. Actually, that's the reason for this new system. It was designed to benefit the general public. Whether it will do that job is something we'll find out down the road.
But some enthusiasts are too enthusiastic. Just because you're a Cedar Point nut does not mean that CP should treat you differently than any other guest. Case in point: *some* enthusiasts seem quite upset over TTR. The general public seems happy. If I'm CP, I could care less if a few enthusiasts are unhappy.
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But some enthusiasts are too enthusiastic. Just because you're a Cedar Point nut does not mean that CP should treat you differently than any other guest. Case in point: *some* enthusiasts seem quite upset over TTR. The general public seems happy. If I'm CP, I could care less if a few enthusiasts are unhappy.
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Sorry Walt but i disagree fully!! i think its the enthusiasts that CP needs to cater to JUST as much if not more..I mean its the "REPEAT" business like pass holders and CP diehards who really Bring in $profit$ several times a season to a park such as CP..They are there more and buying more and eating more and slepping at breakers more than Joe Generic who makes one trek a yr from the GP..So sorry Walt but I think your a tad off base with saying what you said!!
Think about it??
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http://www.msu.edu/~armbrus9/cp.html
http://www.msu.edu/~levydust/mf.html
new MF photos *** This post was edited by Jeffrey Spartan on 6/27/2000. ***
Think about it??
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http://www.msu.edu/~armbrus9/cp.html
http://www.msu.edu/~levydust/mf.html
new MF photos *** This post was edited by Jeffrey Spartan on 6/27/2000. ***
The hardcore enthusiast crowd brings in a very small portion of their total profit. I'm not talking about season passholders. I'm talking about hardcore coaster/park enthusiasts.
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http://www.schmidty.com/cpvirtual
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Cedar Point Virtual Midway
http://www.schmidty.com/cpvirtual
I have to agree with Gemini on this one. Although the enthusiasts may spend a lot more time at the park than the people that make only one visit a year, there are many, many more people as a whole who make that single trip than the very few who come back week after week. Just my two cents.
Are they next going to start issuing fast passes for the slides at Soak City? The wait for some of those slides can be pretty long too if you compare that to the actual ride duration!!!
The @$$ Pass does *JUST* the opposite of cutting down lines for MF, and everything else! They take the hard work and time of the ride ops and mechanics, and Intamin to get all three trains running to get wait time to 1 hr. 15 min., and what do they do? Throw it all out the window! 1 hour and 45 minutes for MF with three train operation is totally hellious! That is what it was with the @$$ Pass yesterday, and it was upped to 2 hours when blue was on the transfer track yesterday!
As for what Jeffrey Spartan is saying, YES! You are so on the dot, as you usually are! CP should cater to us enthusiasts. When I went yesterday, before I knew @$$ Pass was in effect, I was hoping to double my MF count to make it 6 total. Could I? NO, I only got one ride! I was also going to try to power-ride Magnum, and get 10, but I couldn't because I had to schedule my day around that stupid 3 pm wait time I got, the worst it could have been. I actually had to wait for Magnum, why, you ask? Because of the @$$ Pass. Everyone that would have been waiting for MF was too busy in line for other stuff, waiting for their scheduled time to come up. Sure, I got 5 Power Tower rides in, but only one Turbo Drop, and four Space Shot. I only could ride Mantis once, one I have ridden twice twice this year.(That makes sense, think about it.)
I can't stress enough how much I totally hate the @$$ Pass. Cedar Point can expect an e-mail and a letter from me, about the only thing I have ever really hated about the park. This thing has really got me going.
As for what Jeffrey Spartan is saying, YES! You are so on the dot, as you usually are! CP should cater to us enthusiasts. When I went yesterday, before I knew @$$ Pass was in effect, I was hoping to double my MF count to make it 6 total. Could I? NO, I only got one ride! I was also going to try to power-ride Magnum, and get 10, but I couldn't because I had to schedule my day around that stupid 3 pm wait time I got, the worst it could have been. I actually had to wait for Magnum, why, you ask? Because of the @$$ Pass. Everyone that would have been waiting for MF was too busy in line for other stuff, waiting for their scheduled time to come up. Sure, I got 5 Power Tower rides in, but only one Turbo Drop, and four Space Shot. I only could ride Mantis once, one I have ridden twice twice this year.(That makes sense, think about it.)
I can't stress enough how much I totally hate the @$$ Pass. Cedar Point can expect an e-mail and a letter from me, about the only thing I have ever really hated about the park. This thing has really got me going.
If you were one of 100 people "power riding" that day, I'd be surprised. Cedar Point is a business. They aren't going to cater to 0.5% of their guests, if a system can benefit the other 95.5%.
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http://www.schmidty.com/cpvirtual
Gemini,
I consider power riding 6 laps on a particular day. Some may be more enthusiastic but with a ticket system, it will nearly be impossible.
As far as special treatment, it should be as blatantly obvious as a brick hitting your head. Anti-TTR people want everyone to be treated equal! It is the TTR people who want special treatment. It is TTR people who want to inconvenience everyone with their support of a complex scheme that will never work. If you'd like a more elaborate explanation of important points which are being overlooked, please visit the marathon anti-TTR thread and read my latest contribution.
I consider power riding 6 laps on a particular day. Some may be more enthusiastic but with a ticket system, it will nearly be impossible.
As far as special treatment, it should be as blatantly obvious as a brick hitting your head. Anti-TTR people want everyone to be treated equal! It is the TTR people who want special treatment. It is TTR people who want to inconvenience everyone with their support of a complex scheme that will never work. If you'd like a more elaborate explanation of important points which are being overlooked, please visit the marathon anti-TTR thread and read my latest contribution.
All I want to know is if I go to Raptor and get a pass then go to Millennium Force and get a pass, what if they have the same time on it? The lines will never be less than an hour on Millennium Force. I think the passes are inconvenent because like I said. I have to work out my time to ride this at a certain time. Its not like the lines are 4 hours long
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Millennium Force Rides:2
Magnum XL-200 Drop:3
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Millennium Force Rides:2
Magnum XL-200 Drop:3
Closed topic.