crossdresser sueing CP

I just saw on the news that supposedly a year ago a man(crossdresser) dressed as a woman was removed from CP for wearing a dress.(I suppose CP considered it a costume, and costumes are strictly prohibited),and well now the man is sueing CP because he felt it was unfair and was humiliated---sheeesh...I would be mad too if I was him. any thoughts on this?

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At the turn of the Millenium......there were signs...

I would have to agree with CP on this. If they want to maintain a family-friendly atmosphere they did the right thing. They state their dress code prettly clearly.

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02' CP: 06

People don't understand that the same rules don't apply outside the park that do inside. Cedar Point is private property. You are subject to any rules they may have by entering that gate. The same laws that apply outside do not do so inside. If they don't like something you're doing they can throw you out, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. I guess in this situation it would depend on a lot of factors. If it was just a regular man with a dress on, I can understand the park's position. However if it was more involved than that, well, to each his/her own. Since I was not there and am in no way involved in the situation, I can't really take a position on this one.

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At the turn of the Millennium, there were signs.

eggs: You a politician?

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Fairwell Dan!

I recall years ago, well over 10 I guess, that Little Steven Vanzant of Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band was not allowed in a Disney park because he was dressed too outlandish. He's not a crossdresser either.

I think its wrong he was kicked out, but I can see Cedar Point's positions on it. I mean if I saw a guy walking around the park with a dress and make-up on I would have to stop him too if the policy was no costumes. But I wonder if Cedar Point would have kicked a woman out of the park for wearing the same dress. If the dress was so loud and out there that neither man nor woman could wear it in the park, then I understand. But if it was just because the guy was wearing a dress then I am upset that the guy got his own individuality challenged and was kicked out for it

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You are the Weakest Link, Goodbye.

I am not sure how clear the dress code is on the issue of men wearing women's clothing. It IS clear about not wearing clothing with profanity, men having to wear shirts while in the park and so forth but I don't think it clearly prohibits men from wearing women's cloths.

At least, they didn't kick me out when I was wearing my wife's thong. (J/K)

Serious overshare there... ;)

I don't know if there's legal precedent for it, but this is not a case I'd want to go to court for. I mean, where is it written that men wearing a dress is a costume? For me it would be, sure, but for this guy it's clearly not. I saw a monk there a few weeks ago as well. Do you kick him and his robe out or check is monk ID for authenticity? See what I mean... there is no clear answer.

At the point the guy was in there for 11 hours, I would've left well enough alone. All I think they've done is shown a certain lack of sensitivity.

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4412402&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46371&rfi=6

If they're going to enforce dress code, boot out the obese people in spandex, that's far more offensive to me!

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Unfortunately, what's going to happen now is that some of the more militant members of this group are going to show up in numbers this Sunday wearing dresses just to challenge the park management.

Of course, I guess I could take advantage as well... after spending all day Sunday at the park, I'll slip back to the hotel an hour before closing, throw on a dress, and then get kicked out with a full refund.

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Duane Cahill

My roommate came out and said "I'm going to grab a shower and shave. Does anybody need to use the bathroom?"

It was like some weird kind of quiz where he gave the answer first.

The dress code states that Swimwear must be covered. Last weekend alone I saw about a tenth of the park that didn't follow that rule. (Not that it bothers me..except in ugly stick cases.) I'm feel strong about privacy and rules that apply to all. If you enforce a rule on a single person or group of indviduals and not on everyone your wrong in enforcing it at all. If you want to bust the guy in the dress you have to bust the lady wearing the swimwear top that looks like two eye patches. It smacks of descrimination. Now I can say I DO NOT want a bunch of men running around the park in dresses. The fact remains I can't have it both ways......Wish I could...
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Get with it or die in the process.....

I think what the problem here is, and the guy's (girl's?) best point, is that he was allowed to enter in the first place. It's a classic case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. The gate people should have stopped him if his dress was not permitted. But, CP being private property, is allowed to set a dress code. Even, I believe, to the extent of something rediculous like no blue polo shirts on Tues. There are many drinking/eating establishments that judge people on how they are dressed, if you don't meet those standards, they don't let you in. I was kicked out of a place once for wearing athletic shoes, even though I was already admitted. So, that is something similar to the cross dressing case.

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It's very hard to drink all day...
Unless you start first thing in the morning.

I hope you were a jackass as you were escorted out. :) I hate snooty places like that.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

If I was a little kid in the park and saw a man wearing a dress going into the mens room, I'd be really confused. I remember my mom telling me that when I was about 3 or 4 or so, a woman with way too much make-up on came into the restaurant that we were eating at and I screamed in fear: "AHHH! A Monster!". Anyways, the fact remains today: kids don't understand what's going on in this world. Cedar Point is a haven for those who want to get away from the everyday crap our world gives us.

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Michael McCormack CP '02: 12
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I agree with you, BirdofPrey. Little kids don't understand everything in the world today, and if they see something like a man wearing a dress, it may confuse or scare them. When you are younger, everything is pretty much black or white. As you age, you learn that everything isn't so cut and dry. If they see a crossdresser, their morals could be challenged.
I think that another problem with this issue is other adults. If this man were to walk into a male restroom, who's to say that a fight wouldn't break out? Quite a few people are severly opposed to homosexuality, and this man would certainly offend them, especially in a park like Cedar Point. I dont have anything against "gays" besides the fact that it goes against my religion, but I don't think that they should be showing it to the world in public places.

Who is to say the guy is gay simply b/c he was wearing a dress? Of all the gay guys I know, I don't know of one of them who wears dresses.

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Jeff says: I hope you were a jackass as you were escorted out. I hate snooty places like that.

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Yes I was!
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It's very hard to drink all day...
Unless you start first thing in the morning.

I'm sorry but in the world today if you protect a child from issues like that too much its not good. Children will have to deal with homosexuality and crossdressing eventually, all they have to do is watch tv. And if a child is smart enough to say that a guy in a dress is definatly a guy and not just a big woman then I think its time to talk about that anyway.

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You are the Weakest Link, Goodbye.

Yes, please, talk to your children, don't hide them for the world. For all the crap people give schools about sex education, what do you know, teen pregnancy is finally on the decline. Maybe talking to them (gasp!) isn't such a bad idea.

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Jeff (who always found it comical that anyone anti-education would be stupid enough to think teens won't figure out sex on their own)
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

''We do not allow costumes in the park for safety reasons,'' Witherow said. ''You need to be able to identify your guests for security reasons.''

This statement is true. You have to look at the big picture. Having worked in the public safety field I can count numerous times looking for someone who committed a crime, then later finding their clothing laying behind a garage or house. I'm not saying this man was going to committ robbery or assault someone. But if he had, then went into a bathroom and pulled of his dress, had shorts and had a t-shirt on under it, it would be pretty hard to find him. When police get information on how a suspect looks from a witness or victim 9 times out of 10 it's inaccurate. So you look for the major things they remember, ( white male or white female, what color clothing, what type of clothing etc..).

If I were in charge of security or the police at CP, I would be pretty mad and asking all my officers how come it took 11 hours for one of you to correct a serious safety threat. And of course, since it took them 11 hours to do something about it, it makes the whole situation look suspicious.

As for children. I agree. Talk to them about how people are different in the world. Don't try to shield them from it all.

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GO WINGS!!!

The peeps at the MJ apparently have a crack baby uploading content... the actual time was 1-1/2 hours, not 11.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"