COUGH...Cough...couch...

e x i t english said:
...I am totally against people rudely smoking everywhere without concern for others.

Exactly this. It has almost nothing to do with health risks, and everything to do with it being a disgusting habit. I was a smoker for almost 15 years, and I'll still never understand people who feel the need to smoke in certain places, like on a path in a public park for example.

When your addiction is so bad that you literally cannot confine smoking to a considerate time and place, you have a very serious problem.

And you are totally free to walk on the grass or to the opposite side of that park if you think that walking past a person for maybe one or 2 seconds will bother you that much...OUTSIDE. Or you can whine and be a total wuss about it and make a scene as you are doing here.

Because it is totally reasonable that considerate people should have to avoid self-centered people satisfying their disgusting addictions in public places.

MaverickLaunch said:

clevelander said:

Dude it was a freaking typo, so sorry that I have sinned in your eyes. I do not even know why I am responding to you anyway. I normally skip over and not read anything you say because your disgusting, arrogant, self righteous religious views make me want to vomit. Do me a favor and never read or repsond to anything I post.....starting now.

Wow. Vomit? Well the smell of smoke makes me want to vomit. Perhaps we should avoid one another at all costs, it would be like the collision of matter and anti-matter.

My personal religious views rarely come to bear in these forums, but remember, we are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs. Just because you don't like them doesn't make them "disgusting" or "self-righteous".

I happen to think that anyone who smokes is a disgusting, filthy, and stupid individual for what they do to their bodies and those around them. But then I have friends who smoke, and it's not like I try impaling them with a wooden stake. I just point out their stupidity, and move on. Much as I tried to do here.

Wow...honestly both of you should stop...but MaverickLaunch...seriously you do come off as being an arrogant ass from time to time even at times you probably don't mean it, just to be semi nice, not trying to cause a fight, but just FYI, perception does trump intent.

Thank you for moderating this discussion. You clearly have not gotten over the disagreement about Fast Lane wait times earlier. That's OK. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'll admit to being an arrogant ass sometimes. djDaemon is an arrogant ass quite often as well, so I am in good company. He and I disagree a lot, and that's OK, but we actually agree here. Quite frankly, I think a majority of the coaster fanatics I have met are, also. It must be a common personality type within the hobby. I'll even go ahead and lump you into that category, having read more of your facebook posts than I really need to. It's the "why is everybody dumber than me" mentality that I see quite often among coaster enthusiasts. I get it. Cause I'm an arrogant ass, too.

I have a hunch that driving through Cleveland is worse for you're lungs than 2 seconds of smelling smoke outdoors. At the same time I get how the smell can be quite annoying, but overall if it's outdoors, it doesn't seem like a big deal.

However it would be nice if more people would just smoke where they are allowed too at Cedar Point. Seems like there would be less hate coming from non smokers.

On a final note this forum has been filled with arrogant ass holes for over 10 years now. I don't think this place would be the same without them. And often they have great insight. Even if they will argue the shade of blue the sky is today.

Well said, (guy who's name I can't type or pronounce)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j2S0NhY4gY

It will be one month on saturday since I've smoked a cigarette. I think last time this issue came up I told everyone they was nazi's. I'm here again to tell you your all nazi's. I haven't quit completely, I smoke the electronic cigarette that is just water vapor. It is alot cheaper and healthier.

Anyways... Just because you live your lives one way and someone else lives theirs another way does not justify you telling them how to live. And this is not about smoking its about being considerate. If you think the people smoking on the midways and in line are the majority of smokers you are a nazi. There is nothing wrong with the policy, but given that it is not illegal to smoke outside of a building you can not be arrested for it. And since CP has a real police force protecting its park instead of a security company I think they have their hands tied to treating people according to the law. I don't think they can take you into custody for smoking outside. They can ask you to put it out and that's it.

Sad thing is that it isn't really that big of a nusiance. It isn't any worse that body odor, fat rolls, sweaty seats,etc, or litterers. Big deal you went out into public and your not in charge. If that's your biggest complaint is that other people make their own decisions without consulting you than so be it.

You can take all the smokers out of the park but you will still have guests who are inconsiderate!

Cedar Point is private property and as such they can make and enforce any rules they want. If they decide your t-shirt is offensive, CP police or security can, and do, make you turn it inside out or they can escort you off their property. CP says no outside food or beverages can be brought into the park. I have seen people turned away at the gate with these items. So even though there is no law that says you cannot smoke outside, CP can restrict and enforce where you smoke. They have already restricted smoking to designated areas. Now they have to enforce the rule.

redsfan said:
I'm here again to tell you your all nazi's.

Dude, get ready to get pilloried.

I don't get this. Ohio has a law you cannot smoke in a public or work place. It does not matter if you own the place.

redsfan said:
I'm here again to tell you your all nazi's. I haven't quit completely, I smoke the electronic cigarette that is just water vapor. It is alot cheaper and healthier.

If you think the people smoking on the midways and in line are the majority of smokers you are a nazi.

Sad thing is that it isn't really that big of a nusiance. It isn't any worse that body odor, fat rolls, sweaty seats,etc, or litterers.

I saw this post by Redsfan last night and really had to sleep on this and process it correctly. Not sure if Redsfan really meant what was written or just wanted to have some shock value -- either way it made me livid, hurt and very sad.

I don't post much on this forum but enjoy reading the posts and the lively debates. I originally started this post sharing my observation with smokers in nonsmoking areas.

How this turned into calling people Nazis is beyond me. There is absolutely NO comparison and using the word Nazi lightly and calling people that is along the same lines as using derogatory racial stereotype words, etc...

I have Jewish people in my family and friends and some are direct decedents of Holocaust survivors. What Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews, Gays, Mentally Ill, Catholics and countless other races during the Holocaust has no biz on the forum let alone calling people a Nazi... it is so far in left field it's not even possible.

Again Redsfan, I truly hope it was just your ignorance and trying for shock value. But either way I would hope you would be big enough to apologize or remove/edit your reference to Nazis and then go read up on the Holocaust.

Hopefully this can go back to a lively and/or humorous debate before admins closes it down.

Peace,

Matt

It seems as though there are people who think they can do what ever they want no matter how it effects others and when this bad behavior is pointed out to them, they do not want to take responsibility and resort to name calling. It's like a parent correcting his child and sending the child to his/her room. Of course the child will scream I HATE YOU and call the parent names. Very immature.

Redsfan,

1) It is a big nuisance. You are a smoker, so you can't relate, nor understand, and you never will unless you actually stop smoking for years.

2) "they was nazi's." "your all nazi's" "your not in charge" "its about being considerate" "than so be it" I'm really only offended by your genocide of the English language here, which is slightly less annoying than your smoking.

4) Stop kidding yourself with that electronic crutch. Go cold turkey. You can do it. Then, a year from now, you will be able to look back and laugh at all this.

darkrider68, you just described someone who thinks they are entitled. According to them we are here to serve and meet their every need. They think they do not have to accept responsibility for their actions. We are always wrong, they are always right.

^yep and it's not specific to one one sex, race, class, culture, income level, etc. It's spans all of them.

clevelander said:

OK.....I was in a public park outside with no smoking ban whatsoever, I moved my ciggarette to the opposite hand as the family walked by and did not take a puff or blow smoke as they walked by. I only laughed at how fake and dramatic she was trying to make a scene as she shouted at me, I just kept walking and did not say a word to her, well because I didnt care to get involved with a screaming woman in a public park that was ovbiously embarrasing herself and her kids.

Get over yourself...

Just wanted to tell you I for one agree with you, way over the top. If this lady was so concerned about her child she would have just walked away from where you were coming from as soon as she saw you but she chose to continue to walk toward you and "expose" her child to it in order for her to get some satisfaction out of making you out to be the scum of the earth.

I just don't have the mentality that smoking is evil personified and I don't believe I'm in inherent danger walking past someone such as your scenario. I definitely see someone's argument having to stand in line next to it. I do think people should stick to the designated areas at CP since that is their policy and I think it keeps the park generally smoke free. Someone lit up yesterday in front of us walking in Frontier Town but we moved on past, not a big deal to us but it was only one person. It could have been a bother if it was rampant smoking throughout as Pogues related and I would have been questioning the enforcement. There is nothing redeeming about smoking but it is a legal substance and I just can't get worked up about it except to deter people from even starting as it's that addicting.

3snoH un=l said:
I do think people should stick to the designated areas at CP since that is their policy and I think it keeps the park generally smoke free.

Wouldn't it be nice if all smokers would actually FOLLOW that policy.

But how do you get 100% compliance on anything?