Cedar Fair and Sandusky New Agreement(s)

The issues will be less technical are more administrative; whenever you put structures in water there is an alphabet soup of regulatory agencies to satisfy. I wouldn't imagine an exceptional difficultly getting past the state but perhaps the Army Corps or EPA would want their own studies done & permits issued. At the very least there is the Coast Guard to get through; they are especially persnickety when it comes to playing around in navigable waters.

Another thought; would there be problems with putting additional load on Kafralu Island? It is made of sand and garbage after all.

BleauxJays said:

I would have to think this is a multi-year undertaking. Building a mile and a half long road in the middle of a lake is not a cakewalk

Whether it takes one year, two years, three off-seasons, my example still applies. I imagine if they were to add onto the current causeway it wouldn't take as long as building from scratch since you already have a base to build off of. So if the old one took 3 years, maybe a new one would be less than that?

Actually not starting from scratch could entail longer and more comprehensive studies into the existing structures capacity limits, current structural integrity and environmental impacts as an addition or reconstruction would likely void any grandfather clauses over these issues.

Again back to the red tape WTC example above; the site excavations were largely done and reused after the fallen debris was removed from the twin towers. Site excavation is very time consuming and an even more exacting issue when located near a water table (as is WTC). It still took 2.5 times longer to build WTC1 even with much more advanced building capabilities/equipment and all this with federal/state government pushing to expedite the process.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, One WTC took considerably longer to build - just shy of 8 years to first tenant Conde Nast, compared to a little over 4 years for the North Tower of the original WTC complex, so less than twice as long - but it's also ~30% taller, a more complex design inside and out, and built during a time with vastly improved worker safety standards, which is not "red tape."

Meh. I’m not an engineer nor in the bridge building industry.

My comment was more just general observations for how long road construction projects take and adding a lake into the mix

Not that it has relevance here, but a lot of the red tape regarding the new WTC tower had to do with funding, design changes, and issues with building a new tower on the graveyard of thousands. There were practically none of those issues with the twin towers.

Old Timer Tim said:

Been awhile since I have found the need to chime in on a topic but I must add some insight to this discussion.

Welcome back! You've been missed.

Exactly, DRE. And if "red tape" were truly the root cause, how was 432 Park Avenue built in just over 3 years?

So, as mentioned in the video from the Commission meeting, a new lane vehicle lane will be added, along with a pedestrian lane, and utilities will be modernized and buried.

They used the term 'replacement' which led me to believe brand new rather than just adding on to the existing causeway but I also haven't had a chance to watch the whole video.

There typically is a lot of red tape used at construction sites. Just remember, you can cross the yellow tape with caution, but do not cross the red tape.

Or is that not the type of red tape that we are talking about :)

I think they meant replacement as in a complete replacement of the existing causeway. Rather than a simple resurfacing or repaving, they're going to remove everything, install updated, buried utilities, and build a brand new paved roadway from the base up.

Shades said:

There typically is a lot of red tape used at construction sites. Just remember, you can cross the yellow tape with caution, but do not cross the red tape.

Or is that not the type of red tape that we are talking about :)

In my experience you can cross the red tape, just gotta ask first!

CED23, here’s a LOGICAL thought. If you hate Sandusky that much, don’t go anywhere near it or visit the park. You are entitled to your opinion, but convincing anyone on here that Sandusky is dying, I’ve got news for you. NOBODY will ever agree with you. If you want a “big city” feel, Cleveland & Toledo are just a tiny bit over an hour drive in both directions. Also Charlotte is nice & Carowinds is a beautiful park. If you love Charlotte that much, why don’t you just move there…another logical idea. To be honest, I love Carowinds; I’ve been there twice, but after living in Columbus; (Worthington) for a couple years for school, I don’t like the big city hustle & bustle. If ever given the chance, I would love to move to Sandusky. It along with Cedar Point, The Lake Erie Shores & Islands, is actually my favorite place. Ever since I spent the summers of 2011, 2012, and 2013 working in the Rides Department, every time when it’s time to leave the park to go home, I become sad about having to leave Sandusky & Erie County. Plus for the 7 month period that the park is closed for winter; (November till Mid-May), I always find myself counting the days until Opening Weekend. Also, when in the park and being near the Scrambler & Matterhorn; it is nice seeing that the Corporate Offices & HQ is STILL in Sandusky. The management team & higher ups, part of their job is to walk the midways & perimeter along with their office work. I remember Mr. Hildebrandt & Mr. Kinzel/Oumiet would walk the midways all the time. Also, I’ve done my fair share of driving in Sandusky both as a park employee & as a guest, and I think the city is doing a great job. My favorite part of downtown is the giant floral clock on Washington Street. If you notice it has the date at the bottom made of flowers and it’s actually able to change the days, that’s pretty cool.

Also CED 23, at the overpass right as you come off the turnpike, on the north side of the bridge wall I noticed someone spray painted Rust Belt Trap. If it was you, take a walk around Mingo Junction, Steubenville, and Martins Ferry, Ohio. 30 years ago all of those locations used to be booming with coal companies. And back in the day Toronto, Ohio had a company called Kaul Clay. They made different kinds of pipes, and it too just like the coal companies are examples of dying cities, considering the fact that it and the coal companies in southeastern Ohio no longer exist.

Jake10 said:

Also CED 23, at the overpass right as you come off the turnpike, on the north side of the bridge wall I noticed someone spray painted Rust Belt Trap. If it was you, take a walk around Mingo Junction, Steubenville, and Martins Ferry, Ohio. 30 years ago all of those locations used to be booming with coal companies. And back in the day Toronto, Ohio had a company called Kaul Clay. They made different kinds of pipes, and it too just like the coal companies are examples of dying cities, considering the fact that it and the coal companies in southeastern Ohio no longer exist.

Yup. This is the exact area I was referring to in my post from a few days ago. Steubenville will always be my hometown and I love that area and hate what has happened to it. But aside from the university that is there, it is truly a dying Ohio city (although fracking could temporarily slow that process). But CED23's opinion that Sandusky is dying, is absolutely laughable.

Rusty said:

Jake10 said:

Also CED 23, at the overpass right as you come off the turnpike, on the north side of the bridge wall I noticed someone spray painted Rust Belt Trap. If it was you, take a walk around Mingo Junction, Steubenville, and Martins Ferry, Ohio. 30 years ago all of those locations used to be booming with coal companies. And back in the day Toronto, Ohio had a company called Kaul Clay. They made different kinds of pipes, and it too just like the coal companies are examples of dying cities, considering the fact that it and the coal companies in southeastern Ohio no longer exist.

Yup. This is the exact area I was referring to in my post from a few days ago. Steubenville will always be my hometown and I love that area and hate what has happened to it. But aside from the university that is there, it is truly a dying Ohio city (although fracking could temporarily slow that process). But CED23's opinion that Sandusky is dying, is absolutely laughable.

Which pizza place is your favorite; Bruno’s, De Carlo’s, or Giannemore’s?

Giannamore's is tops by far! ;-)

Rusty said:

Giannamore's is tops by far! ;-)

Yes most definitely it sure is.