Cedar Fair and Sandusky New Agreement(s)

CED23 said:

You are delusional that it's some vibrant metropolis.

Not in the least. I have openly admitted that Sandusky is not a metropolis of the likes of Charlotte. You are attributing arguments and positions to me that I never proposed in effort to deflect the deficiencies of your own, but carry on...

CED23 said:

Nice soliloquy....(sarcasm)

Hey, douche...maybe Cedar Fair sees value in the goodwill from the city that this deal will afford. Maybe they feel like it would be a good move overall to support the surrounding area they are more and more each year trying to get people to visit OUTSIDE of the actual park.

It sounds like you think that Cedar Fair should just want this dilapidated husk of a city just outside its gates to die. Pretty shortsighted view.

Can we get a down vote button on this site? The one with the most down votes is blocked from posting on that particular thread.?

CED23 said:

It's typical of the many dying places like it in OH & midwest. It's just lucky at the time it is propped up up by CF/CP.

This is just flatly ignorant. Yes, there are many places in the Rust Belt that are wholly reliant on a small industry segment, or even entirely on one or perhaps a few manufacturers. And yes, those places are in danger of decline should those industries decline or manufacturers relocate, which is always a possibility.

But because Cedar Point obviously isn't going to relocate, the comparison to declining Rust Belt towns is just dumb.

Rusty said:

CED23 said:

You are delusional that it's some vibrant metropolis.

Not in the least. I have openly admitted that Sandusky is not a metropolis of the likes of Charlotte. You are attributing arguments and positions to me that I never proposed in effort to deflect the deficiencies of your own, but carry on...

Lol..You wasted time typing a soliloquy trying to prove how vibrant it is that only "Homer" thought was convincing, it was a joke. Low standards mkaes you think it's nothing more than dying place propped up by CF/CP. When 80% of your revenue is dependent on a seasonal theme park, you're a dying ward of CP. Trying reading the quotes from Sandusky Town officials w/o rose colored glasses.

djDaemon said:

CED23 said:

It's typical of the many dying places like it in OH & midwest. It's just lucky at the time it is propped up up by CF/CP.

This is just flatly ignorant. Yes, there are many places in the Rust Belt that are wholly reliant on a small industry segment, or even entirely on one or perhaps a few manufacturers. And yes, those places are in danger of decline should those industries decline or manufacturers relocate, which is always a possibility.

But because Cedar Point obviously isn't going to relocate, the comparison to declining Rust Belt towns is just dumb.

What's ignorant is undermining your self with your own response. Sandusky is in danger if CP declines, they were ****ting themselves in 2020 when they weren't getting normal tax revenue from CP & were fretting over 2021 in that CP extended passes, which reduced their take. 80% of their operating revenue comes from CP/CF directly & indirectly, Any decline puts then "in danger", as the pandemic showed, from their own words.

Drbyq9 said:

CED23 said:

Nice soliloquy....(sarcasm)

Hey, douche...maybe Cedar Fair sees value in the goodwill from the city that this deal will afford. Maybe they feel like it would be a good move overall to support the surrounding area they are more and more each year trying to get people to visit OUTSIDE of the actual park.

It sounds like you think that Cedar Fair should just want this dilapidated husk of a city just outside its gates to die. Pretty shortsighted view.

Eejit, providing 80% of your revenue is already enough "goodwill". The town should better itself from all the money they get from CF/CP already, they haven't. It's a dump coming in/out of CP & the rest is no better.

Hey bud, we get it. You and you alone think Sandusky is a trash heap. Move. Along. You are never going to convince anyone on here that your highly ignorant opinion is correct. Not to mention you’re just seeking attention like any other troll out there.

Moving the conversation forward; I’ve been wondering about the scope or scale of the causeway project; I remember a few years ago there was a discussion about how costly such a project would be; is there anyone with an engineering background that might be able to put into terms how exactly something like this would work?

Been awhile since I have found the need to chime in on a topic but I must add some insight to this discussion.

I'll let this article provided the proof Sandusky is NOT a dying town...Click here

Feel free to read that. Sandusky has done a tremendous job of reinventing itself over the last five years. The City Manager (E. Wobser) had the city commission have worked well to drive Sandusky forward.

The investments in Downtown Sandusky will reverberate throughout the area.

If you are in the Cleveland area, look at the Gordon Square area or the area out by the West Side Market. These areas are about 5-10 years ahead of where Sandusky is today.

The new housing (yes YEAR ROUND) being built in the city along with the other developments are just other examples of Sandusky THRIVING and not dying.

One piece of the partnership with the city and the park is the city taking over the dock area and Boeckling Building which is right next to the Jackson Street Pier which was redone this past year. TI am guessing the pier will be redone and fit in well with the rest of the redevelopment along the shoreline.

The City of Sandusky just shared a beautiful video of improvements over the years and their relationship with CP to their FB page.

Can’t be dying if they are recognizing the continuous improvements.

mgou58 said:

I’ve been wondering about the scope or scale of the causeway project...

I'm curious about the timing of construction. If money were no object, I'd imagine they'd construct an entirely new causeway wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes (4 temporarily, with narrower lanes and limited shoulders), shift traffic to this new causeway, then reconstruct the existing causeway to match the new one.

And while it would presumably be far less costly to widen the existing causeway to accommodate, say, 6 lanes total, this would result in at least temporary lane closures during the season, which would obviously be problematic.

Also I just realized that attempting construction of this nature during the winter months would be far less than ideal, and while not impossible I assume they’d like want to accomplish as much as possible during the warmer months.

^^ Pump the brakes, or you are on your way to a ban.

Rules 3 and 7 exist for a reason. Last post was removed.

As a complete aside, this whole conversation is just making me imagine a lost episode of "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?" where you'd have Double Trouble or Wonder Rat swooping in with a helicopter to throw hooks into the ground to lift up and steal the peninsula and move it to Miami or something.

mgou58 said:

Also I just realized that attempting construction of this nature during the winter months would be far less than ideal, and while not impossible I assume they’d like want to accomplish as much as possible during the warmer months.

Starting construction at the end of the summer season could be ideal since they would have minimal traffic on the causeway during the week, then open up for full weekend traffic when the construction crew would be off. Then once the season is over, the entire causeway could be closed since offseason traffic could use Cedar Point Road. Unless of course they spend all year just building an adjacent new causeway and then use one off season rehabbing the old one.

I would have to think this is a multi-year undertaking. Building a mile and a half long road in the middle of a lake is not a cakewalk

How long did it take to build the current causeway?

CED23 said:

Sandusky is a dingly & dying area like many rural areas/cities in OH. The main areas of improvement revolve around things Cedar Fair has done, dorms, the Bowling Green Campus Complex, the sports Complexes, etc.....or the new Holiday Inn, there related to Cedar Point. The reason Sandusky has been whining about CF moving some corporate to Charlotte b/c Cedar Point/Cedar Fair is all they really have. That is directly by CF being the #1 tax payer by far & indirectly collecting bed taxes,etc... The town would be dead already w/o Cedar Point & is declining even with it. It's a dying city & low income. The median household income is like $32K, that's in the bottom 10 of like 250 municipalities in OH. Facts hurt, it's a dying city propped up only by Cedar Fair/Cedar Point

Many of the cities on the great lakes have been shoehorned into the "dying" category due to the economic landscape of each city changing from primarily industrial to more tourism.

It takes a few years to change the way of thinking and the political powers that be for each of those cities. As long as entities like CP are adding more high dollar rides/ hotel rooms and Sandusky infrastructure continue to continuously improve the "dying" tag is nothing more than pointless noise.

Kevinj said:

How long did it take to build the current causeway?

Might not really be relevant since the original WTC opened for Tenants in 4 years from site excavation, and the new WTC1 took over a decade..... red tape is a productivity killer.

That is interesting.

Using the Pointbuzz timeline, it looks like it took about 3 years: mid 1954 - June 1957, with a work stoppage in 1956.