Brakes?

Thanks; they came out a lot better than I would have thought, actually.

Could it be that the white blocks(LSM's) are permanent "rare earth magnets." Like the same concept on TTD's brakes only on Maverick they will not be brakes, they will be used as launch power in tunnel, then as brakes on hill? To be honest, this is just a random thought, I am not really sure about what those LSM's will be for on the hill. Don't put me down, I am just speculating cause a simple idea of brakes/launches has become complicated. Can anyone shed light on the thought of LSM's on the hill being permanently powered, so if there is a power outage, the train will continue to launch no matter what. I think that is why they will be there. *** Edited 10/4/2006 1:50:50 AM UTC by coasterdesigner*** *** Edited 10/4/2006 1:52:07 AM UTC by coasterdesigner***

The brackets that hold the LSMs look exactly the same as the ones that hold the brakes.

I'm wondering if they changed the design from when the "computer model" was made to now. It just doesn't make sense to have brakes in the center of the track on the hill over the swan pond. Why not just put more LSMs there? If the point of brakes were to stop a train if it was underpowered and let it roll back for another launch, why not just give it the boost it needs right there? Keeps the train moving, helps capacity, etc... Makes more sense than brakes to me. Besides, there's already a block in the tunnel. I can't imagine you needing another one right after that.

I say they're booster LSMs just in case. But, I guess if they're LSMs, they could also be brakes. LOL!!

That doesn't really make more sense.

There was no change in the design since the rendering was done. Those are trim brakes.

There are pictures (but I'm too lazy to look) of the track in question, and they certainly look like something will be mounted on them.

Why doesn't that make more sense? Lots of people were saying they were brakes in case of an underpowered launch. They could stop the train and let it roll back into the tunnel. Well, if that's the only reason for them, why couldn't you just boost the train some more to get it to the proper speed? Then you don't have a roll-back situation.

That run seems way too long to be trim brakes.

I would assume that the cost of additional launch versus trim brakes is just one of the many factors.

No, really, it doesn't.

What would you rather have, a long and gradual section of trims, or a hard "slam"?

They're trim brakes. Not for the purpose of stopping a train and letting it roll back, but for the purpose of having a 70 MPH launch, which is totally not necessary to crest that hill.

Trims are lame. Especially right after a launch. Lets speed people up just to slow them down again. Oh wait, this from the people that introduced the world to trim brakes on the drop hills of coasters. :rolleyes: *** Edited 10/4/2006 1:45:42 PM UTC by halltd***

Do you know for a fact that every launch will be followed by engaging the trims?

Yeah dj, I know that for a fact. Come on.

You should understand the point I'm trying to make then.

You have no idea how the trims will be used, yet you're complaining about them. On top of that, that section of the ride accounts for, like, 3% of the entire experience. Who cares if they use trims? You're still going to get launched at 70mph, followed by a pretty wicked turn into a heartline, and so on.

But.... But.... Then they should have made the ride over 200 feet tall.

I started out saying I thought it'd make more sense as LSMs instead of brakes IF the theory was correct they'd only be used in the case of an underlaunch. That's what my point was. You and exit are the ones claiming to know the designers of the ride and exactly how it works. I was making an educated guess on things I see.

Saying I don't like trims is just stating a fact. Regardless of the ride, I just don't like trims.

But halltd, so are they. They are making an educated guess on what they see and what i would call good intuition.

LSMs seem highly unlikely. First off I have known no case where a ride has malfunctioned (like a failed launch) and they just programmed the PLC to say "oops! lets get em going faster cause there are people waiting in line.". When an error is indicated the ride protocal STOPS the ride and takes no chances until whatever complication is resolved or confirmed by qualified personel no matter how simple it may seem.

Another thing. Just because a ride reaches 70 mph doesnt mean it will crest 200 feet nor that it should. It only means that if that speed was generated by a drop it had to have been around 200 feet high depending unit per unit on the speed at the crest. you can enter a hill of any height from 1 foot to 200 feet when going 70mph and still experience positive G-force the whole way through the hill so dont suppose that just because it hits 70 and doesnt crest 200 that it is going too fast.

More than likely they are trims and since they cannot dictate pressure like on contact brakes which increase decceleration (cuz they are non contact), they can dial in the right speed by applying that constant decceleration over a longer time if needed by placing it in a manner where the train will be exposed to its field for a longer time. That can be powered by rare earth metals. The earlier claim by coaster designer is not possible. The electric feild emitted by the rare earth metals cause a repulsion force in every direction which arrest motion. It cannot aid to launch a train passively. That requires a uniform current in which only active power can supply.

Just to clarify, my 200 foot comment was sarcasm based on the type of responses we've gotten to Maverick on here. I realize that the hill can be any height, etc... etc..

I know I have seen a fair share of those who feel as such. Consider that part benine to you. lol.