Wow…. Fight at the park…..

It's not a strawman. You specifically said police presence would have no effect on these situations because people cant perceive the threat of law enforcement so they will do what they want. Now maybe you had a specific ratio in mind, but you didn't mention that.

Now if you're talking about security personelle, then yeah. But.. Police officers ready and willing to tackle, arrest, taze, etc. I assure you are a deterrent. The question is are there enough at the scene to handle the amount of idiots.

And then you said, in retort:

"So your reasoning is that police/jail/law enforcement/etc is totally useless in our society"

Happy to help!

Naw incorrect but cute gif. Probably save it for a time when you don't look so foolish.

Extrapolation is not strawman. Following a line of reasoning that still at it's core follows the argument is not strawman. This gets thrown around WAY too often by people who don't know what they are talking about.

The slightest bit of strawman would have been when i said law enforcement serves no purpose and you jumped to thinking LE as in detective work or rehabilitation. It was quite obvious in this situation that law enforcement refers very specifically to the threat of officers at the scene acting as a crime deterrent and not some judge or detective in a lab.

The main argument made was that people (not just CP guests) in general are mentally unable to perceive police presence as a deterrent and will still commit crimes even if a cop is ordering or threating them to stop. Thus, he said more officers in general, here in CP or anywhere, are useless as mentally, people can't help themselves.

So like I said, maybe he meant a specific ratio, like 1 cop isn't good but 10 are. But that still wouldn't make sense because again, he said people are mentally unable to stop themselves.

It was totally a strawman. Brandon made a generalization, you took it to a different place and now you're telling everyone that they're foolish.

fritzer:

So your reasoning is that police/jail/law enforcement/etc is totally useless in our society because people will do what they will do regardless?

I mean, sometimes, even when you're the president.

Chief Wahoo:

Some of this stuff is happening in front of police for the express purpose of enticing the police to overreact...on camera...and get the attention that might warrant a $$$ settlement.

That's a possibility. In the video the punk that's being held down by the policeman immediately starts yelling, "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" and a girl holding an elephant ear practically runs up to him and (I think) starts telling the cop to get off him. I wouldn't call it premeditated but it's very obvious the punk can breathe just fine (the cop isn't even holding him down at chest level) and it's suspicious that he immediately starts hollering that he's being killed. He probably already has a lawyer.

Side note: I looked at the video again, more closely, and in fact the one punk has a cell phone, not a knife. Sorry about the misinterpretation.

eChameleon:

Head for the gate... the very gate these fighters ran towards?

It's the only way out of the park. I suppose I could always run for the dock and swim. :-)

Jeff:

It was totally a strawman. Brandon made a generalization, you took it to a different place and now you're telling everyone that they're foolish.

fritzer:

So your reasoning is that police/jail/law enforcement/etc is totally useless in our society because people will do what they will do regardless?

I mean, sometimes, even when you're the president.

irony lol. I tell 1 person they are foolish, and you say I'm telling "everyone". You are proving my point that no one knows what strawman is, they just throw it around trying to sound intelligent.

Are we really going political here now?

Anyways back to the topic. Yes I'm with the people here that slowly see the crap flowing into the park. The way people speak and act in public is sinking lower and lower. Unless people start pushing back and stop with this.. "oh gee, what can we do" or "its always been like that, we just didn't have cellphones to record it". Naw.. it's not always been like that.

fritzer:

Naw incorrect but cute gif. Probably save it for a time when you don't look so foolish.

I always find it fascinating when people are so confidently incorrect.

I never stated nor implied that "police/jail/law enforcement/etc is totally useless in our society". As I said, I opined that additional "police/jail/law enforcement/etc" probably wouldn't have changed the outcome here.

frizer: Consider yourself warned. Foolish, unintelligent, you're just name calling, and it's not OK.

fritzer:

"its always been like that, we just didn't have cellphones to record it". Naw.. it's not always been like that.

As someone who worked for 11 years at Cedar Point in the early 2000s, what you watched in that video is nothing that hasn't been happening for a long time. So yeah, it has been like that.

We had our share of young groups of kids fighting and getting into trouble at Geauga Lake in the 80s. You just didn't see every one of those incidents show up on your "feed" 30 minutes later.

It reminds me of what I'm reading about shark encounters. Sharks have always been swimming off the beaches, and very close to humans...whether they knew it or not. 20 years ago there weren't thousands of cameras at the beach to capture the encounters...and 5 years ago there weren't drones overhead seeing a birds eye view of a shark 10 feet from a paddleboarder.

Chief Wahoo:

It reminds me of what I'm reading about shark encounters. Sharks have always been swimming off the beaches, and very close to humans...whether they knew it or not. 20 years ago there weren't thousands of cameras at the beach to capture the encounters...and 5 years ago there weren't drones overhead seeing a birds eye view of a shark 10 feet from a paddleboarder.

Agreed, perception is a hell of a thing. I see it in the medical field all the time with incidence/prevalence of various diseases where there either wasn't the awareness of disease X or the laboratory testing for disease X 10-20 years ago. It ends up looking epidemiology-wise like the disease has been spiking like crazy over the last decade, and sure maybe it is, but then the big confounder is how much of it was happening before but just wasn't being picked up for the record?

I also think of the average dive bars around the town in which I grew up, and how many scuffles probably happened there which only ever would've made the police blotter, tops, even with a small town paper.

And I'm probably going to regret engaging, but I'll bite. What constitutes "pushing back" against this sort of behavior, at theme parks or otherwise? You already see parks going with curfews or accompanied minors sort of policies, but then you also have parks like SFA where this has literally always been a problem seemingly.