When they drained the lagoon...

what kind of things do you think they found at the bottom?

you know, money, wallets, stuffed animals, things like that...

and WHAT happens to the carp when they drain it for whatever reason? they were gone this weekend. do they just transplant them somewhere and put them back later?

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not to be confused with Tservo...returns to CP 10/18 to 10/20!!

I also noticed this weekend (10/18-10/20) that the lagoon levels on both sides of the Frontier Town bridge (next to Mine Ride) was very low, and that some poor carp really seemed to be having trouble "moving" and were stuck at the (now very low) edge of the pond. It could just be that they lowered the level there as well to insert the trolls who stand in the water for Halloweekends, but I wonder if the filling at the construction site also affected the water level here.

Now, I know carp aren't an extremely attractive fish, but I did kind of feel sorry for the poor things.

The water level in the lagoons is affected by the level in the lake, which has been very low lately. When you go over the Huron River on Route 2, the wetlands area around the bridge is almost totally dry. This is also the case around Friday's by the entrance. It hasn't been this low all summer. We've had predominantly westerly winds blow the water to the other end of the lake. The pumps had no effect on the level of the other lagoons.

And I doubt that anybody worried about the carp beyond their possibly plugging up the pumps. If the pumps are big enough and strong enough, any fish that got sucked in probably would have gotten spit out the other end. And the smaller ones might have made it back out in one piece. No one will even miss the ones that got left high and dry.

Speaking of low lake levels....last year, we stayed at Sandcastle for the first time. Since the lake levels were low, the Sandcastle beach was closed; we had to trek down to the Breakers beach instead.

Does anyone know the last time the Sandcastle beach was open? How much higher does the level have to go before the beach is usable again?

Jdubya, um, the lagoons level is no way affected by the lake. It's not even connected to it. The lagoons currently sit in the middle of the park totally enclosed and surrounded by land. They used to be connected many years ago (late 1800's/early 1900's) but are now a seperate entity. They now currently run from the Mine Ride down to the pretzel loop of Iron Dragon. A current 2002 park souvenir map will show you this.

poor carp, HA!

dont try going in and saving them, theyll team up and eat you =/

CPfan76, yes the lagoons are connected to the lake by means of an underground pipe going under the area by White Water Landing. When you drive down Perimeter Road you can see where the pipe lets out by the rocked off area right near the road in the lake. How would they fill the lagoons without a connection?

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Actually, my friend, that is how they fill Thunder Canyon every morning of the season-- assuming that we are talking about the same pipes.

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- John
"Guest 234: Watching construction of S:TR" - RCT2 (God, I love that game)
*** This post was edited by Michael Darling 10/21/2002 7:19:50 PM ***

Lagoon levels are what they've always been, because they pump the water in. Think about it... the boats for Paddlewheel are always nearly level with the dock. If lake levels had anything to do with it, I'd suspect they'd be empty because they're only a couple of feet deep in the first place.

The back loop around Iron Dragon appears to be drained every year. Every time I've been there in the off-season they were empty.

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Jeff
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"There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, when it's all in your mind. You gotta let go." - Ghetto, Supreme Beings of Leisure

Jeff, I think you are right. Good observation. We had a boat at the CP Marina for a few years and our boat went up and down all the time relative to the dock (the old ones, that is.) Um, having been a season pass holder for at least the last 15 years I can't remember the last time I looked at a souvenier park map. I thought the lagoons were still connected in some way to the lake because I had heard some time ago that CP wanted to do something (I'm not sure what, though) to the lagoons and supposedly had to get approval from the Army Corps of Engineers. Having lived along the lake for many years, I know that anytime anyone with lakefront property who wants to build a pier or do anything that may affect the lake, they need to go to the Corps for their approval.

CP needed permission to fill in the lagoons. From what I have read, the deal they have requires CP to create wetlands somewhere else in the lake area as they fill in various lagoons.

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but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

Yeah, those are protected wetlands apparently, and they need to replace them elsewhere. That's ironic since I don't think they were ever natural in the first place, even going back a hundred years, but being married to a biologist it's important that I defend all wetlands. ;)

Of course, you could just do what the developers across the street from Six Flags did, and destroy the wetlands, build a Home Depot, and deal with the fines. They really need criminal penalties for such things.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP
"There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, when it's all in your mind. You gotta let go." - Ghetto, Supreme Beings of Leisure

About the carp, Walt has a picture of the sign (doesn't he have a picture for everything :)) which describes what the carp do in the winter when they drain. I suppose they would just to the same in this instance

http://www.schmidty.com/cpvirtual/trail/carp.jpg

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Wow, they're building a new ride!

How about a yummy Carpburger....

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The face of a child can say it all....especially the mouth part of the face.
*** This post was edited by G-Money 10/22/2002 12:20:11 PM ***

Not only do you have to replace wetlands elsewhere when you want to remove an existing area...you have to do so at a two new acres for every one replaced ratio. I can't imagine what the fines were for the Home Depot developers (although it was obviously less than the cost of creating new wetlands somewhere else).

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James Draeger
-Captain Sarcasm

That sign, by the way is wrong. Fish can't breathe in mud. I brought this up at one of my wife's little biologist drinking parties and they laughed their collective asses off. If there isn't water passing through their gills, they die.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP
"There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, when it's all in your mind. You gotta let go." - Ghetto, Supreme Beings of Leisure

The carp is an unusual fish, though, that can survive in places where other fish cannot. They can survive long periods out of the water, have the ability to adapt to very adverse situations, and have an extremely low oxygen consumption rate.

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And I still respect the opinion of a bunch of people who are PhD's, some twice over, than I do anything else.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP
"There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, when it's all in your mind. You gotta let go." - Ghetto, Supreme Beings of Leisure

Even if they are PHD's drinking alcohol?:)

wow!! i started a thread about FISH and BOOZE without meaning to!!

anybody know if they found any valuables in the lagoon under Iron Dragon?? there had to at least be SOMETHING good in there!!

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*** This post was edited by servo 10/22/2002 4:54:31 PM ***