What ride would you remove?

TheRealMaverick said:
I don't guess...

OK, we'll just assume these are accurate.

So, what is the threshold for which the park considers SkyHawk to be worth keeping operational?

First of all, you're judging the ride's value from exactly two data points. That's incredibly short-sighted, to put it politely.

Secondly, you're comparing a ride right off the main midway with one tucked into a small corner in the back of the park.

Cedar Point provided the data in 2008 so an old spread sheet for that year, MaxAir via Cedar Point's Blog this year. SkyHawk 2012 a 2012 SkyHawk crew member.

As for the threshold for the park, I couldn't answer that. The question was what ride would I remove based on that data I would "Skyscraper" the ride to another park.

The location does have influence however until 2013 SkyHawk had the advantage of being located near the newest coaster in Maverick.

The idea is far from "short-sighted" as you put it. Over a four year time span the ridership decreased roughly fifty percent. At a time when very few capital attractions were added, one of which was in close proximity to SkyHawk.

Sorry for the repost hit delete in place of edit.

If that were the case, then TTD should have been removed in it's first few years too..

Again I really don't understand the tear it down bandwagon...ANYTHING the park adds should stay, each ride has a thrill and experience to give, enjoy them all..

I'm not a huge fan of Raptor, however you don't see me saying tear it down...

All the poop and downtime due to wind or cold weather, must have some bad downtime, tear it down.

TheRealMaverick said:
The question was what ride would I remove based on that data...

Fair enough, but using such limited data means your suggestion ranks about as relevantly as someone who wants to remove X because the color scheme is ugly.

Where as your view is we should never remove anything. Everything is special and unique. Things change and have to for progress, is my decision based on limited data? Yes, that is all the data I have to use to make this decision when comparing it to other attractions. It's just like your boss telling you to lay some one off for their job and having you base it of a few incomplete employee files. Make a decision and support it.

I've never really had to experience a ride removal before last year, as in 2007 I wasn't really an enthusiast. But it's sad that Disaster Transport and Wildcat are gone. Even though I love GateKeeper and those awesome bleachers that I've never sat on, I still would have wish they could have stayed along with GK. I wish the park wasn't on an island sometimes, although it definitely has the best view of any park. It was fun to escape the park sometimes and go into a sci-fi trip to Alaska, although the themeing wasn't the greatest, it was still really fun. Wildcat had that old school carnival kinda look with the old incandescent lights and the fact it wasn't even a permanent install coaster.

Anyway, onto the question.

I have 2.

Shoot the Rapids. I know they're fixing it and stuff, but it's pretty lame, its unreliable, it's not a log flume, there's very little to none nostalgic value, and it takes up a good chunk of land.

Mean Streak. This has been discussed several million times so I take it you all know the explanation why. I know theres some nostalgic value to this one and theres still some people that like it, but if you were to have a RMC coaster with a layout similar to El Toro (Several huge ejector hills), you might quickly forget what you like so much about Mean Streak.

Rcoaster10 said:
I wish the park wasn't on an island sometimes, although it definitely has the best view of any park.

Even if it wasn't, there would still only be so much space available. Acquiring new land isn't always easy and you better go to the surrounding landowners with a huge wad of money, and even then they may not be willing to sell. CP is one of the biggest amusement parks in the world if I remember correctly. There is really no need for more space. Sometimes it's a stretch to do everything in 1 day if the park is moderately crowded.

Shoot the Rapids is currently being worked on. A crane was spotted today via webcam, however if it continues to have the current type of issues it has had I wouldn't think it would remain safe long term. As for Mean Streak, no one can deny it sits on a massive amount of land. However the possibility of its removal gives me mixed feelings. I don't think it would be removed to have a similar though likely superior coaster in the same location. I would more likely see a newer variation of a woody placed in a different location in the park and a few years later a different style of coaster placed in Mean Streak's footprint. Bottom line for that to happen we would be looking at a decade or longer. As much as I do enjoy Mean Streak for the right progress I could always pay a friend to hit me in the back with a wooden mallet a few times and bash my knee on something metal on every visit.

TheRealMaverick said:
Where as your view is we should never remove anything. Everything is special and unique.

Sounds like Kinzel. :P

Things change and have to for progress, is my decision based on limited data? Yes, that is all the data I have to use to make this decision when comparing it to other attractions. It's just like your boss telling you to lay some one off for their job and having you base it of a few incomplete employee files. Make a decision and support it.

No one is really denying your point here. It's just more to point out that there are other factors, besides capacity, that decide what happens to a ride (anyride). Stuff like maintenance and, in some cases, marketability. Capacity fluctuates very frequently with amusement park rides and it's not always an "Oh I don't like that ride anymore." kind of excuse.

TheRealMaverick said:
Where as your view is we should never remove anything. Everything is special and unique.

Sounds like Kinzel. :P

Things change and have to for progress, is my decision based on limited data? Yes, that is all the data I have to use to make this decision when comparing it to other attractions. It's just like your boss telling you to lay some one off for their job and having you base it of a few incomplete employee files. Make a decision and support it.

No one is really denying your point here. It's just more to point out that there are other factors, besides capacity, that decide what happens to a ride. Stuff like maintenance and, in some cases, marketability can affect the ride.

Capacity fluctuates quite frequently with amusement park rides anyway. People can forget about it, not have enough time to ride it, or the lines too long, etc etc. It's not always an "Oh I don't like that ride anymore." kind of excuse for decreases in ridership.

I am a Kinzel supporter, he was someone who had great vision for the company/park and had an overall positive impact. Made some mistakes for sure but was an innovator. While I agree there are many more factors to think of those numbers jumped out at me. I was also thinking of what the park is missing in an observation tower of some sort (discussed my dark ride thoughts in a different post). I actually enjoy SkyHawk but it doesn't reach it's full potential a park of this size and could be a star in another smaller park.

How could it not reach it's full potential? Are you basing that on it's location (besides ridership)? Sure, it may be tucked in the corner but it's pretty darn hard to miss if you head anywhere in that area. I just don't see a reason to put it on a "it could/should go" list......but that's me.

Oh and Kinzel was a lot of good things for sure. My point was the whole "not letting things go that were past their prime" deal he seemed to suffer with.

TheRealMaverick said:
Where as your view is we should never remove anything. Everything is special and unique.

Straw man argument much?

I hope they don't get rid of Mean Streak for a long time, it is my favorite ride and if you sit in the front it is not that bad.

If Mean Streak were removed in the near future, how delicate would they have to be with deconstruction in order to keep pieces from falling on Eden Musee Wax Museum since it was only built in 2012. Would the new coaster have to be rebuilt around the EMWM building as well? Or would it be removed (which I don't see being the case).

The building they built is a prefab metal building that could be moved if they decided to use that space, storage building as well. As for being careful removing the structure with a crane supporting the higher sections they could cut them out and lower them to the ground. Then topple the remaining structure when the night fits the space. Highly unlikely at this point in most peoples minds, I think CP will keep MS safe for at least the better part of a decade if not longer.

Why do people want to get rid of Mean Streak? There are still plenty of Cedar Point fans out there (like myself) who would be crushed if Mean Streak was removed.

Millennium Force Man said:
Why do people want to get rid of Mean Streak? There are still plenty of Cedar Point fans out there (like myself) who would be crushed if Mean Streak was removed.

It's terrible and opens up a rather large plot of land for something better.

^According to you...