Traditional vs. New Age Coasters

I really hope CP dose wane from their past idea's. The last 5 coaster's CP has built have all broken some kind of height record. I here people saying that CP next coaster will be a follow up of what they did after the Magnum. A 250 wooden coaster is NOT what I want, unless it is designed extremely well, with AIR TIME. If it is a wooden coaster I WANT HILLS, not what they call hills on the Mean Streak.

Mean Streak is supposed to be a twister with lateral forces and such, not an airtime machine. Unfortunately it falls short of anything and is just a mild piece of wooden crap. But yeah, I should amend my statement in a way where it sounds like I really feel - bigger is certainly not better by any means. For example, my favorite steel: Superman: Ride of Steel. It's big, but hey Millennium Force is bigger, and I've ridden that. But Superman just RULES. :) (had to get that in there)

The rule goes even more with wood, it seems. In fact it almost seems that the rule with wood goes "the bigger, the worse" like Mean Streak and well, from what most people say about Son of Beast (I haven't ridden yet so I can't judge).

But yeah I think a nice Ghostrider-type out-and-back dogleg layout would do CP really well. :)

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Natalie
CP Ride Operations '99-'00

Why would CP want a B&M floorless when SFO has one?

I think CP needs a good woodie, and something along the lines of Rock N Roller Coaster, in or outdoors.

Cedar Point has never been into field testing prototypes. What they have done is build larger versions of the prototypes once they have proven they were successful. Corkscrew may have had the first loop, but at least 3 corkscrew coasters opened prior to CP, Gemini is just a giant mine train coaster, Iron Dragon opened after the PKI Bat failure and the successful opening of Big Bad Wolf, Disaster Transport was a higher capacity version of the first Intamin Bobsleads, Magnum was just a giant corkscrew, minus the loops, Mean Streak, a larger Texas Giant, Raptor was larger than Batman, Tower Power, Snake River Falls, Mantis, Millennium Force, all developed once the technology was proven. I applaud this philosophy. Look at PKI, the failure of the Bat and the PR (and ride?) disaster with SOB. Look at Six Flags and the year long delays with their "chiller" LIM coasters. Think of how mad people get when they are waiting in line, and the ride shuts down (happened to me last year for SOB, after a 2 hour wait, the PR people gave us free passes to return to avoid a riot). Think of how angry people are when they travel far to these parks, only to find the ride closed. Let other parks field test the new rides, and let CP put up versions that will be reliable.

Idora Wildcat

Well Brett, according to that, then why get a good woodie, SFO has one of those too.
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I think they should be the first park in the US to get a Dive Machine. A CCI or a GCI would be great too.
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I'm curious about one thing many people have commented on, both here and in numerous other threads: the fact that CP needs a "good woodie" because so many people seem to dislike the Mean Streak. I, for one, like the Mean Streak, because I think it is very picturesque and a lot of fun, though, granted, it doesn't have much airtime. But what about CP's other woodie, the woefully unmentioned Blue Streak? I've rarely been on a coaster with more airtime (I've never been on Shivering Timbers, nor to PKI, yet). True, the hills aren't big, but the Blue Streak is one coaster that continually delivers loads of airtime. Why would CP want to build a bigger version of that, when they already have a successful one? Or is there something else I'm missing?

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I touched on this in a thread over at Coasterbuzz, I believe.

Mean Streak's main pitfall is not the lack of airtime - it's more of a twister design and supposed to have more laterals than airtime. It doesn't even have these. It's painfully slow and provides absolutely no g forces anymore. You are right though, it is picturesque. (putting looks before personality eh, see personality is more important to me ;) )

Blue Streak is not a bad ride. BUT there are *plenty* of coasters with more airtime that are just overall better rides as far as the majority of us are concerned. To me, Blue Streak does not consistently deliver the amount of airtime that a good out-and-back wooden coaster should, and it's just not that exciting of a ride to me.

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Natalie
CP Ride Operations '99-'00

ON CP's website, it says that the Mean Streak features Banked curves, high speeds and moments of negative gravity accent a course that crisscrosses the structure nine times and includes twelve hills and valleys.

Yeah right, negative gravity. I remember when it first opened and it was somewhat fast, the "hills" in between the banks you could get decent air, but since then you are lucky to leave your seat for a second.

For some reason, my last ride on MS this year was "smooth." Red train about 2 in the afternoon. The person I was with thought it was rough, but it was my smoothest, fastest ride on that thing in about 4 years. I did not need a visit to the chiropractor, and my head was not spinning like usual, so I actually wanted to ride again. I hope it is a sign of things to come next year.

For alittle longer than ayear I've been praying for a GCI clone of the old CP cyclone. I've seen photo's of this ride, and it looks great! I personally believe that it'd fit perfectly in the "boardwalk project". I will say also that some sort of launched coaster would be brilliant aswell. After climbing uptop on Snake everyday, I began thinking how awesome (though highly unlikely) it would be to have a launched coaster with a 0-g roll or mega-sized corkscrew over the paddle wheel water, and into the island.

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Corey
Snake River Crew '00 *** This post was edited by rOLLocoASt on 1/15/2001. ***