Track has arrived!

It's been used for not only storage but offices. It's been the opposite of empty.

I'm hoping that Cedar Point eventually gets a dark ride that is more like Verbolten or Laff Trakk. I'm not a huge fan of these Triotech rides. Personally it doesn't matter to me. We've been spoiled with Gatekeeper and now this goliath Valravn. I just feel Cedar Point needs to give guests options when it rains, other than camping inside the arcade. If a triotech is the choice they make I will be happy. Just to reiterate, Valravn is going to be great next year, Dive Coasters are very intimidating and this monster will be no different.

Intimidating?? Your coster card should be revoked.. j/k. Or am i? If you think a dive machine is scary, go on Falcon Fury. Now, thats a intimidating ride. And it s a Flat ride!!! FYI, by Intamin... Innovative, one of a kind. Dive coaster: There's 2 clones already and this new one might not even top the original 2 in BG.

We really need a downvote option...

Where'sMyMackCP said:

Intimidating?? Your coster card should be revoked.. j/k. Or am i? If you think a dive machine is scary, go on Falcon Fury. Now, thats a intimidating ride. And it s a Flat ride!!! FYI, by Intamin... Innovative, one of a kind. Dive coaster: There's 2 clones already and this new one might not even top the original 2 in BG.

Just because a ride is intimidating, doesn't make it scary. Try not to jump to conclusions but I do realize my phrasing may have been a little unclear. What I mean is that staring at a ride going straight vertical to the midway is pretty impressive looking. At this point the last ride I was afraid of was TTD when I was 7 and I still went on it. By the way, Falcon's Fury loses all its punch with that incredibly slow ride to the top, capacity nightmare.

Where'sMyMackCP said:
Intimidating?? Your coster card should be revoked.. j/k. Or am i? If you think a dive machine is scary, go on Falcon Fury. Now, thats a intimidating ride. And it s a Flat ride!!! FYI, by Intamin... Innovative, one of a kind. Dive coaster: There's 2 clones already and this new one might not even top the original 2 in BG.

Seriously... I respect your opinion and all but I have a feeling you just joined Pointbuzz to hate on this whole dive coaster project. We get it. You praise anything Intamin and hate on anything B&M. You have made this quite clear and we get where you stand. There is no need to keep repeating it.

It makes you no better of an enthusiast if you think a ride is not intimidating that someone else does.

Even though I was initially a little disappointed with the leaked layout, I in no way see it as a clone. I don't know why people keep saying this. I see no resemblance to Griffon or Skeikra beyond the turn at the top of the lift and the drop into an Immelmann.

The best way to make a troll go away is to just ignore them...

MaverickForce95 said:PersonaI just feel Cedar Point needs to give guests options when it rains, other than camping inside the arcade.

I don't really think that anybody is going to want to wait outside for a dark ride in the rain, unless queues for dark rides are indoors. Are they?

I believe an indoor queue is what he meant. I agree that a dark ride would be a good ride for guests to ride when it rains, but I have a feeling that it would just create rediculious lines, seeing as most dark rides don't have the greatest capacity in the first place.

Why would Dive Coaster 1 not be better than the Busch Garden dive coasters? It's taller, faster, longer, and has more inversions. It's not like the other coasters are more compact, so that argument goes out the window too. Theme is the only possible way this might be worse, and we're still in the dark on that aspect of the ride.

I feel that the "longer, faster, etc etc" argument doesn't always mean the coaster will be a better experience. Valwhatever will definitely be more unique than the other big dive machines, that's a given. It could very well be the best of them all......but we won't know that until opening day next year. :P

^ You're right, as per usual.

I'll have to take your word for it on the opening day comments, that 760 mile trip takes some planning, and I can't usually make it until much later in the operating season.

Ripcord said:

MaverickForce95 said:PersonaI just feel Cedar Point needs to give guests options when it rains, other than camping inside the arcade.

I don't really think that anybody is going to want to wait outside for a dark ride in the rain, unless queues for dark rides are indoors. Are they?

Rides such as the Dark Knight Coaster at SFGAdv and I think a couple of dark rides at Hersheypark have an indoor queue. My whole idea is I would rather wait on a really long line during the rain if I know there is nothing else to ride and I can avoid the rain concurrently.

InfiniteGs said:

Building up land for a tunnel would take longer than the time they have. You have to build up the land and let it settle into place, then form the tunnel through it... it's just not as easy as plopping land down and digging a hole. The best bet for an above ground tunnel is to make an artificial land/rock structure.

None of that is true. Look to The Voyage as an example.

1. Dig large hole.
2. Construct concrete tunnel in large hole.
3. Build coaster through tunnel.
4. Replace dirt on top of tunnel.

Willijs3 said:

I'm still holding out hope for a double whammy announcement; Dive coaster AND dark ride.

XS NightClub said:

That would be a wise use of space and capital improvement expenditures.

As noggin pointed out, that's not a good strategy, and certainly not a wise use of cap ex. Spreading expenditures over multiple seasons, especially when it comes to massive projects such as a record-breaking coaster and a dark ride, gets the park more bang for their buck.

Spreading expenditures over multiple seasons doesn't seem to be how things work, however. It's not like they pay $25M to B&M all at once. (inb4 "Who said $25M? Where did you hear that? You don't know what you are talking about" I pulled that number out of my behind.) The demo and land clearing of GTT was done the year before, and most of the tough work will be completed in 2015. The entire process is broken down into multi-year investments.

And nobody said that the dark ride would have to be ready by 2016. Parks have been known to announce a "ride to be named later." There's no reason that it can't be a multi-year process. Many people automatically assume that we would get a Triotech ride. There are plenty of other companies that make dark rides, and many of them (like the ones produced by ETF Ride Systems) don't even require a track, allowing them to plop a building wherever they want and put up a few walls.

The truth is that we don't actually know what the truth is and we're all just speculating.

Willijs3 said:

And nobody said that the dark ride would have to be ready by 2016. Parks have been known to announce a "ride to be named later."

That is clearly not what you were implying.

And it doesn't matter when they spend money for Project 2016. It just matters how much they spend in total, versus how much of a revenue bump they see as a result of Project 2016.

Many people automatically assume that we would get a Triotech ride. There are plenty of other companies that make dark rides...

True, but it's a pretty well-reasoned assumption. Cedar Fair had Triotech do WMG, and were pleased enough with the result that they went with Triotech again for Voyage at Knott's. Furthermore, with regard to themes/stories, Ouimet has mentioned the allure of "having a library of stories that might move around from park to park." So unless there's some huge misstep in the relationship between Triotech and Cedar Fair, I don't see why they'd change horses midstream.

You're right, I wasn't implying that in my original post. I wasn't implying anything. We all can scroll up and read what I wrote. I'm not sure why you felt the need to mention it.

You seem to have missed my last point about speculation:

Willijs3 said:

The truth is that we don't actually know what the truth is and we're all just speculating.

Some speculate, others make educated guesses. Doesn't mean one or the other is the "right" approach.

Cedar Fair going with Triotech for all its Amusement Dark projects seems a very reasonable educated guess, especially given Ouimet's suggestion that the dark rides could be swapped out between parks down the line. That would be an easier task with just the one company involved.

He also stated that they would explore the further use of Garner Holt with some animatronics. I'm not sure how much of a long shot it is to think that they could find some work in Sandusky. Triotech seems like a given, but since they seem to be holding off for a couple of years they are no doubt exploring new ways to refine and improve the experience. Perhaps an interactive video-game approach blended with some animatronics via Garner Holt? One can dream...