Seat belt lenght

nesdude said:
If anyone still cares:
Seat Width = 19"
Belt Length = 23.5" (source: http://i.imgur.com/ACovbib.jpg)

Thanks a bunch! I am wondering if the red trains will still have longer belts? I fit in the test seat last year and i'm 6'3 270. Still working on that though. Been on a diet and walking for the last year.

Get in shape people! It really does help.

Have been. Started dieting and working out at the start of the year. I know I've lost weight, but I'm a little worried because of all the talk of replacing seat belts before last summer and hearing about how people said the belts were shorter. Whenever I've gone before, it's later in the summer when the belts would have possibly gotten a little worn.

djDaemon said:

You're suggesting Intamin came up with a couple restraint designs, then designed a couple coasters to utilize those?

No, I am not suggesting it. That is what they did. Perhaps they utilized or modified an existing design; but, there is no denying the restraints are utilized in the design of the coasters mentioned.

... Without a restraint system on Magnum, you'd end up very much out of the train by the time you reached the bunny hops.

Now who is speculating? Do you have compelling visual evidence that defy the laws of physics?

By using casual observation, it's clear that most coasters do not follow this rule...

Ah yes, the time tested and totally unreliable scientific method of the casual observation. Same method that was commonly used by scientist before 1492. They had really good roller coasters back then also. DJ, news flash: the world is round.

.. and you think my trolling is impressive?

The PointGuru said:
Now who is speculating? Do you have compelling visual evidence that defy the laws of physics?

Have you been on Magnum? The ejector seat would not be called the ejector seat, if you weren't getting thrown out of it on the bunny hills.

^^^

Please refer to earlier post about laws of physics and coaster being designed to give the illusion you are out of control while you are actually perfectly safe.

Maniaman said:
Which would be great if it wasn't for the fact that on most rides if the seat belt won't fasten it means you're too big for the lapbar/shoulder restraint to hold you in properly.

While I won't deny bearing some responsibility for this thread being as long as it is, and on a slight tangent, it is comments like these that don't help things. After, numerous post verifying the existince of different length belts on the same ride, different riders with different body types, and even the lack of need for safety belts at all, people are still clinging to this fallacy.

If the park wants to have seat belts on rides then fine, just make them long enough or have extenders available.

What we need to find out is if the belt length is for a reason. Was it because of the accidents at other parks?

Why are they so short? Magnums' belts are long as hell. I know it has a different restraint system.

Just wondering why they are the length they are.

BTW, just did a test fit with a chair and I clear. Guess I keep need to be working out and eating healthy, seems to be paying off.

It was stated earlier that MF's belts are so short because Intamin determined that length to be necessary to ensure proper security being applied by the restraint. In other words, if you fit in the belt, the restraint will sufficiently hold you in, if not, there is greater than acceptable risk.

That comes from Intamin, not CP.

Now...there is a lot of chatter about the belts on MF being different lengths.

Is this really true? Someone would literally have to measure each belt on each seat to determine if this is true, or just anecdotal recall based on different experiences.

I wonder if CP will lose the seat belts on Iron Dragon. If you don't need them on Flight Deck, you sure do not need them on Iron Dragon.

I can't speak to NOW but the belts varied a bit in 04. I did measure them back then.

Iron Dragon has never had seat belts.

Really? I thought they had added them...maybe I'm thinking of Corkscrew...either way it is nice to see the park removing belts from rides where it is deemed unnecessary for whatever reason.

So, who will be conducting the research on MF? :) Out of curiosity, liebevision, how much variance? Of course, your research is a decade old now ;)

I'm not calling anyone a liar at all, I've just always wondered how accurate this claim really is.

Some were longer than others but the biggest variance I found, meaning the shortest belt to the longest belt was about 3 inches. I wish I still had the spreadsheet I made back then breaking down the length by seat and train, but that computer was stolen a while ago. For the life of me I can't even remember the average length of the belts.

Although I doubt any of those belts are still the ones on the trains now.

Still, 3 inches is quite a significant difference (in fact statistically a belt 3 inches longer/shorter would certainly be an outlier).

So let's pretend you're correct, and bring this thread back to its roots.

If Intamin proclaims that the belt needs to be "X" long, and there is that much variance, then that would be just not-so-good customer service on the part of Cedar Point (considering the coaster's rabid popularity).

If.

Like you mentioned, I highly doubt any of those belts are in use today.

I know next to nothing about the maintenance of a ride like MF, but we have a few possibilities here:

1) Today, in 2013, the belts are now in line and consistent.

2) There is still a lot of variance (which makes no sense if it is a safety issue).

3) The consistency of the belts changes as the season progresses.

I have no reason to doubt that a manufacturer would send out some sort of advisory years after a ride was built telling parks after a rash of accidents,"hey, it might be a nice idea if you put seat belts on a ride". That advisory also would have been sent out for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with the safety of the ride. That advisory would also not explain why you we need to wear seat belts on Sky Ride after decades without safety related problems. Using seat belts as some sort gauge if the lap bar is down far enough is kind of like using your toilet bowl for drinking water. Sure, it would work, but that is not what it is there for and there are better ways.

Yeah, keep in mind that I took that during "bonus weekends" so that measurement was quite late in the season. Most of the belts were close but there were a few longer ones and a few shorter ones. It wasn't like they were just all over the place.

Kevinj said:
Now...there is a lot of chatter about the belts on MF being different lengths.

Is this really true?

I can tell you from first-hand experience that as of July of last year, this was true.

I went to CP last July, rode MF 4 times, twice in the red train, and once each in the yellow and blue trains. In the two different seats I sat in the red train, I fit with over an inch of slack. On the yellow/blue trains, I BARELY fit, pulling basically no slack.

Granted, it could be coincidence of those two particular seats, but I doubt it.

Why did I just wake up from a dream where we all descended on Millennium, fabric tape in hand, and every last person on the train whips it out and measures their belt before securing their harness?

It's been way too long since I've been at the park.

The PointGuru said:
...there is no denying the restraints are utilized in the design of the coasters mentioned.

But that's not what you said. You said the restraint design came first, and the coaster was designed afterward, specifically to utilize the new restraint design. Do you have any proof? Remember - you're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof lies with you.

Now who is speculating? Do you have compelling visual evidence that defy the laws of physics?

I'm not speculating. I've been on Magnum more than a few times, and have been thrown into the restraint more times than my thighs would have liked.

But again - you're the one making the absurd claim, so the burden of proof lies with you.

Ah yes, the time tested and totally unreliable scientific method of the casual observation.

One more time - you're the one who made the original claim, that "most" coasters don't need restraints. So, the burden of proof lies with you.

Are you unwilling to substantiate your claims, or simply unable to?

^^^

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