Sandcastle Suites Land

Cargo Shorts said:

GTFO. There is never any better use of real estate than for a coaster. (Except if it is a yellow thing on the beach)

I can think of quite a bit of uses that are better. I would like to see them open a hotel that has themeing like the cabins. They could put bunk beds in the rooms. Maybe a BBQ restaurant in the lobby (i looove me some CP BBQ) and they could do fires on the beach at night

Cargo Shorts said:
GTFO. There is never any better use of real estate than for a coaster. (Except if it is a yellow thing on the beach)

Okay, how about you GTFO.

Sorry for hurting your feels TW. 🤣🤣🤣

Well TW only has 118 days until Guest Services opens for feelings reparations.

And likely 139 days until WT opens.

Good one. But after all of the hate, that yellow thing on the beach is still standing after all of the silly rumors of it’s removal anyway. Just thought you needed a reminder ;)

I actually really like WT and never put any faith in removal rumors, especially since they invested so much in the boardwalk bump out around it.

Still doesn’t change that it likely will not open on time for whatever reason this year too.

Perhaps I’m missing something. WT was not ready for opening weekend in 2015 due to waiting on a new train chasis and 2018 for whatever reason. When else was it not ready? In my opinion, it was the most reliable Intamin in the park (aside from Wilderness Run) this past season.

But once Steel Vengeance and Millennium can actually open on time for early entry, that will be the day things fall into place.

As for the Sandcastle Suites land, maybe we'll find out in the next couple of years. I feel like we're getting closer to finding out. (**anticipation level skyrocket high**)

But first thing's first, enjoy 2020 - Orion at Kings Island and a celebration of history at Cedar Point.

As a few of you said, I would also like to see a Cedar Point shores expansion here. I don't think Cedar Point Shores can expand anymore in its current state, unless they cut into the parking lot or removed an attraction. There are so many water attractions that CP Shores does not have...how can it not have a water coaster? Holiday World is adding a dual water coater this year...would love to see that at CP Shores.

DMan said:

There are so many water attractions that CP Shores does not have...

And yet the place is packed every summer, which suggests they are in no need of any new attractions.

One could argue they need extra capacity, but we shall see what the Gold Pass delivers.

DMan said:
As a few of you said, I would also like to see a Cedar Point shores expansion here.

There are so many water attractions that CP Shores does not have...how can it not have a water coaster?

While I tend to agree, I think the more important question is, who would staff these attractions? CP Shores in its current size already suffers from staffing issues such that attractions are sometimes closed or operating at reduced capacity not because of lack of guests but because inadequate staff.

So many improvements I’d like to see made to the park are not likely simply due to inadequate staff.

There goes djDaemon with sarcastic comments yet again. What's your point? HolidayWorld is packed as well, yet they add a new premium water attraction every other year. Then according to your philosophy, Cedar Point should stop building roller coasters, because it is packed anyway. We all know the will not happen. At least Mr. Potato thinks first and makes a valid counter about Inadequate staff.

Sort of... but dj has a point that's valid in multiple parts of the park. The Halloweekends event could also easily be argued as extremely stale. How long have Eerie Estates, Zombie High School, Blood on the Bayou, etc. been running? It's the same haunts year after year, but from a business standpoint, there's no motivation to change them since the crowds keep showing up in droves.

A key difference between Holiday World and Cedar Point is the literal beach that CP gets value out of. Why invest heavily into new water slides for a water park when you have a natural beach a 5-minute walk away? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see one of the bigger pro slides or a big water coaster go in as well. But at the end of the day, Cedar Point is America's Roller Coast, not America's Water Slide.

I love how people will say parks are not busy so they don't need to make changes but then will say that parks are so busy that they don't need to make changes.

DMan said:

What's your point?

The point is that CPS is packed-to-the-gills with guests already, so another attraction would have poor ROI.

HolidayWorld is packed as well, yet they add a new premium water attraction every other year.

If we ignore for a moment that this just isn't true, comparing SS to CPS is not a fair comparison. CPS exists more as a bonus for resort guests than it does as a destination unto itself, as is the case with SS.

Then according to your philosophy, Cedar Point should stop building roller coasters, because it is packed anyway.

Ignoring the straw man nature of this comment, they sort of have, at least compared to the 2000's. CP is a pretty mature park as far as coasters are concerned. Any new coasters will likely replace old coasters, rather than be pure additions.

The same is true of CPS - it's a pretty mature water park that still packs guests in without spending additional capital.

Yeah...Gatekeeper, Pipe Scream, Rougarou, Valravn and Steel Vengenace over the course of 6 years can't compare to the early 2000s. Great take there. Oh, and I didn't compare Cedar Point to Holiday World. My reference was that park is stacked to the gills with new and innovative water attractions, and I don't think they really need to add much else, but they do almost every other year. I don't think its unrealistic at all to think CP Shores will add a new attraction in the next few years. I did not imply that they should do what Holiday World does, as that is not needed. I was responding to your take that CP Shores is mature and needs nothing...that is not true at all. As always, you read into posts way too much and take things too far. I've been apart of this community from the very start, but rarely post or visit anymore, but you are always here starting trouble and debating simple comments of others. Just let things go already. You may be here to argue, but most people are not.

DMan said:

Yeah...Gatekeeper, Pipe Scream, Rougarou, Valravn and Steel Vengenace over the course of 6 years can't compare to the early 2000s. Great take there.

Two of those "additions" replaced old coasters, and a third was a conversion of an old one. So no, it doesn't compare to the 2000's.

...but they do almost every other year.

No, not really. They built up SS heavily in the 2000's but have since slowed way down on adding stuff. In the last 6 years they added a couple of kid attractions to round out the lineup, but those more or less replace things they've removed (Hyena Springs, etc.). Heck, even the new-for-2020 water coaster could be considered a replacement for the defunct Pilgrims Plunge, rather than an addition. This is because, like CPS, they have a pretty mature set of offerings and don't need to keep building at the same pace they once did.

I don't think its unrealistic at all to think CP Shores will add a new attraction in the next few years. ... I was responding to your take that CP Shores is mature and needs nothing...that is not true at all.

You said it yourself above - anything they add would likely require the removal of an existing attraction. So, two things. First, that's sort of the same as suggesting CPS is a mature park. And second, it doesn't make financial sense to remove an existing attraction to build a new one, unless the park's attendance is suffering. And there is simply no indication that that is the case.

Oh, and one last thing. Disagreement is not the same as arguing.

The debate was not about ride removal or replacement. They built 5 coasters in 6 or7 years in the 2010s, all being really nice additions and necessary. You implied that adding coasters was no longer important (untrue), and it can not compare to the 4 built in the 2000s. Just go back and read your post. Oh, and are you honestly saying the Mean Steak conversion to Steel Vengenace does not really count? I guess if I lived in Tampa, I can just dismiss the Gwazi conversion as no big deal.

We can argue (yes, that is what you do) about all the other points brought up, but your main point is that CP Shores does not need to add anything else because is it an unnecessary expenditure in a mature park. Under that philosophy, Cedar Point does not need to add a single ride the next 10 years because it is also a mature park, and the attendance will be there anyway. We both know that is not going to happen. 10 years from now, there will be new and incredible rides at CP, some being coasters. And yes, I'm sure there will be something new at CP Shores in the next 10 years as well.

Straw men, straw men everywhere! ;-)

DMan said:

The debate was not about ride removal or replacement. They built 5 coasters in 6 or7 years in the 2010s, all being really nice additions and necessary.

The word "additions" implies that the park increased the number of attractions in the park. We are, after all, discussing the importance of expanding the number of attractions at CPS.

GK replaced DT. Rougarou replaced Mantis. Steel Vengeance replaced MS. Yes, those replacements improved the park, but they did not expand the number of attractions.

You implied that adding coasters was no longer important...

I said that adding coasters is not as important as it once was. Because, again, the park has reached a certain level of maturity/size where in addition to having a great variety of attractions, there aren't many glaring holes, and they cannot as easily justify the added expense of operating and maintaining additional attractions.

And yeah, CP will add things over the coming years; I never claimed otherwise. But for the most part those will be replacements rather than expansions, because as the park has plainly stated numerous times, they no longer see the same ROI they once did. I don't see why the same would not be true for CPS.