Retrofitted OTSRs?

Loopy said:
-if they stack the trains like they normally do and you're sitting out on the brake run for 10 minutes.

They don't stack the trains. The ride does. The ride needs to have two trains waiting outside the station and one coming down the brakerun. There's no other way to run 6 trains. While that lapbar might be tight, it's better than being loose.

No, if there's one coming down the brake run then the station better be leaving. Otherwise there's only one train on the course in the tunnel waiting to launch because there's still two trains in the station, two outside the station and one in the brake run. When you have to sit in the brake run for any period of time, that's stacking. Not only do you then have to wait however long in the brake run, when they finally get the trains out of the station you have to pull up and wait for the two trains in front of you to unload and load.

So no, the "ride" doesn't stack the trains in that respect.

*** Edited 10/3/2007 10:06:24 PM UTC by Loopy***

The crew has no way not to have two trains always waiting outside the station.

The trains in the station can't be dispatched until the second train has gone through the horseshoe and turning into the tunnel. The first train enters the brakerun right as the second one enters the horseshoe roll.

With six trains running, there has to be two trains waiting outside of the station. The only time the ride will actually stack is when three or four trains are stopped on the brakes.

*** Edited 10/4/2007 12:21:25 AM UTC by Gomez***

Did you even read what I wrote?

All I'm saying is that stacking on the ride is inevitable. Therefore, I wouldn't call it stacking. Stacking is when the ride isn't hitting interval and it causes a backup of trains. That isn't the case.

It's the same case on Magnum. A train is always waiting on the brakerun outside of the station. There's nothing being done wrong, it's just the way the ride runs.

I've never had the restraints tighten on me at any time during the course of the ride (20 rides so far), so I don't know why so many others seem to be having that trouble. As for the "stacking," Gomez is right, that is just the way the ride is designed/programmed to operate. I've read the manual (hey, you do get bored in your room sometimes, okay), as well as my roomate at CP being the third in charge there. There are some things about the ride that, well, just sometimes don't seem logical, but that's the way it is. Like judging your day by how many cell phones you find doing low zones at night. 30 or more, and it was a good day; any less, and evidently people actually listened to the suggestions. ;)

As for retrofitting the restraints, what's the point? I personally find them very comfortable, and have yet to be "beaten up" since the first time I rode the ride, and that was because I was stupid and tried to keep my head in front of the restraints. *** Edited 10/4/2007 12:57:43 AM UTC by BlueStreak64***

Gomez, you keep defending the restraints but just looking at your avatar I see a ride with curved metal hardness in the way of your head serving no purpose other than looking more complicated than it is.

^And you found the point of it right there. People like feeling more secure on rides. People told me all the time that they are glad it has a harness. The lapbar on MF and TTD really throw people off, because there's so little security.

There are two different points-of-view.

BlueStreak64 said:
I've read the manual (hey, you do get bored in your room sometimes, okay), as well as my roomate at CP being the third in charge there. There are some things about the ride that, well, just sometimes don't seem logical, but that's the way it is.

Great read, isn't it. ;)

*** Edited 10/4/2007 2:06:46 AM UTC by Gomez***

Again when there's 3 trains OUTSIDE of the station and you're sitting in the 3rd one back, THAT IS STACKED and something is wrong.

I'll say this once more, if there's three trains outside the station and two in the station, something is wrong. Period.

^Yes, but all I was saying is the third train should coming around curve when the trains in the station are dispatched.

You are right about three trains stopped.

I actually found the first section of the manual somewhat funny. They might as well have just said 'We don't really know what the SOP should be.' and saved themselves a few pages of paper.

I wouldn't consider it stacking if that third train stops unless it stops for longer than about 20 seconds to allow the trains to advance. But that's just my take on the issue.

As for the harness, it seems to me that it is almost entirely that hard, spray-on foam stuff (not sure of the technical name for it), and that the metal it is built around would be little more than a few layers of aluminum foil (stronger, of course) in terms of thickness, if there's actually any metal extending down to the chest plate portion of the harness. I seriously think these are the most comfortable restraints in the park.

If they haven't already tweaked the logic on that ride, I suspect they'll spend a lot of time doing so in the off-season. There are so many head-scratchers watching daily operation right now that you just can't understand what is really supposed to be going on.

TTD saw the same things, but actually more severe, as far as the ride program goes. The reason for these things are the time crunching that has to be done in late April and early May.