Quanity or Quality?

If they had G-Carts before, they certainly hid them well.

Last year, the Scrambler was SBNO in front of Zach's Zoomer, where Be-Bop Blvd is going in. The Go-Carts are beside Corkscrew and the pond and behind the Hi-Striker. That area is a grass field now.

Hmmm,

Didn't they put them on last years guide map?

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Dispatch Master, This is Transport one! I'm losing control, I'm losing control!

Less coaster's that just break records and more innovative coasters. I want to see whole new types of coasters that have elements never before seen or created. CP has never installed (to my memory) a coaster that is the first of it's kind w/ totally new types of elements that have never been used before on a conventional coaster. When you look at all the coasters that CP has, they were built at times when there elements were already in use at other parks. CP uses these aready existing elements and perverts them into a record breaking coaster, but never takes the risk of trying a type of coaster that is a invention all of it's own. CP needs to sit down w/ a designer and work w/ them to invent a new kind of coaster that would be the first of it's kind and that is a invention of the coaster designer and CP.

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"Magnum + Prozac= Millennium Force

Actually, I believe that Raptor's Cobra Roll was a prototype element that was on no other coasters at the time that it debuted.

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Disaster Transport '97 Crew
Iron Dragon '98 Crew

I was just wondering if you would rather see a couple lower cost rides, or one expensive ride.

A couple lower-cost rides PO!NT Fan. :)

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Raptor '00 Count: 40

I think Raptor did have the first cobra roll. The only previous inverts (correct me if I'm wrong) were the Batman: The Ride clones, right?

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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
Millennium Force laps: 35

Yeah, Raptor had the first cobra roll.

Didn't the Boomerangs have a Cobra Roll before '94?
[I know they aren't inverted, but it's the same element]

That's right, Bill. Non-inverted Vekoma boomerangs have been around since around 1985. (correct me if I'm wrong) Vekoma calls that element something other than "cobra roll," but it is virtually the same element.

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Only 2,290½ miles from Cedar Po!nt.

But, Raptor was the first Inverted coaster to utilize the Cobra Roll. Also, Mantis was the first to have the "incline loop". I think, correct me if Im wrong, someone?

Mantis was the first to have a diving loop not incline.

Cobra roles are not banked at the top. Boomerangs(?) have banking and have more space in between the two inversions. Making Boomerangs two separate elements.

Corkscrew may have also been the first coaster with a steel tear drop shaped loop. Although there where previous loops, the only previous tear drop was made of wood tracks with a steel structure.

Gemini was the first steel coaster with a wood structure.

Disaster Transport was the first coaster with a solid trough.

Iron Dragon had the first pretzel element.

With the exception of three, all Cedar Point coasters have broken a record.

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Dispatch Master, This is Transport one! I'm losing control, I'm losing control!

Corkscrew may have also been the first coaster with a steel tear drop
shaped loop. Although there where previous loops, the only previous tear
drop was made of wood tracks with a steel structure.
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Nope. That record is claimed by ... either Flip Flap or Loop-the-Loop and was taken by 1901.

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Gemini was the first steel coaster with a wood structure.
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Sorry, SFOT's Mine Ride sewed that one up about a decade beore Gem. Heck, gemini isn't even the oldest wood-supported steelie in the park! Mine Ride is.

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Disaster Transport was the first coaster with a solid trough.
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And again, uh uh. Flying Bobs had that one [cypress trough] by 1947. John Miller and Norman Bartlett, I believe.

If Mantis wasnt the first the have the incline loop what coaster was it?

Bill, Bill, Bill.

You may be right about Corkscrew.

Booth of those loopers (I think) had wood loops though. And I should have really been more specific about *Gemini* as it was the first large scale to be wood structured. Excalibur may have been first. I am not certain.

You are wrong about Flying Bobs though. All bobsleds built before Disaster Transport where made of wood or steel but both had tubular rails making up much of there trough. That is why DT had to be covered. It would collect water in the low sections of the drop. It's still a problems when Transport passengers get... well don't have two many corn dogs before the ride. ;)

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Dispatch Master, This is Transport one! I'm losing control, I'm losing control!

*Typo* *** This post was edited by Magnum is sinking! on 7/24/2000. ***

I hate to disagree, but I can make reference to one 'Flying Bob' that had to be overbanked because of a tendency to somersault. I have seen no pictures of a cypress bob that contained tubular rails. It states they used rubber wheels instead of the typical train set up.

And Sarajevo Bobsleds predates Avalance Run/DT by a year. Same manufacturer, same type.