Prototype Rides at CP

With all the talk about vertigo and such lately. And knowing that Vertigo was an S&S prototype, I was wondering if someone could fill me in on what other prototypes CP has. In my mind I can only think of possibly MF and Demon Drop (MF for Intamin Giga-Coaster, and Demon Drop for Freefall)...however I think that there may be more. Do you think that this is a smart move for a park to bring in prototypes? Or more risky?...or maybe Im just paranoid that a large steel tower came down..regardless Ill be on Vertigo this year...
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"I will never doubt the forces of physics again"~Passenger leaving MF

'00 MF Rides: 02

Well, about Vertigo, Newschannel 5 reports it won't be open for May 5th. I don't believe them, though.

-Corkscrew was the first double corkscrew coaster, I think.

-Wicked Twister is the first double twisting impulse

Any more?

Was Gemini one of the first for the wood/steel hybrid???
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"I will never doubt the forces of physics again"~Passenger leaving MF

'02 MF Rides: 00
'02 Wicked Twists: 00

um, no. Contrary to popular belief Magnum was NOT the first 200 foot coaster. It was in fact a coaster at Nagashimi Spaland, which opened in 1983. The reason everyone says Magnum was first is because Spa Land's hyper closed a few years ago.

MF, Magnum, and all the other rides weren't exactly prototypes. CP usually takes concepts and adds upon them to make them bigger and better.

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"Can you know the mighty ocean? Can you lasso a star from the sky? Can you say to a rainbow 'Hey, stop being a rainbow for a second?' No! Such is Mango."

pezmanguy3--

Correction, it was at Fujiku Highlands and it wasn't a "hyper" but a strange "boomerang" type coaster called Moonsault Scramble. People didn't consider it the first 200 footer because the entire train didn't reach the 200 ft. mark.

I believe the ride is in fact closed now.

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Jeff Tobe
tobejeff@pilot.msu.edu

Hmmm....Interesting....

Yeah, there was a conversation over at Coasterbuzz about it a while ago. The inversions on it were pretty wacked out.

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MF count: 23

and pez, while CP's Corkscrew might be the first coaster with 3 loops Knott's Corkscrew (now at Silverwood) was the first double 'screw coaster.
jeremy
--"You aint seen bouncin' back..."

P>illennium Force really wasn't a prototype coaster because it was just Superman on steroids. There were peices on the ride that were new but the entire roller coaster wasn't a prototype./P>
P>FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #606870">Not even Wicked Twister is a prototype because it has already been made, it just has a new feature to it. /P>
P>FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #606870">If those two are concidered prototypes then so is Power Tower, first to have 4 towers. Rapter, first to have the cobra roll. /P>
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You are the Weakest Link, Goodbye.

You guys have no clue what the word "prototype" even means do you?

From Dictionary.com:
prototype:
2.)An original, full-scale, and usually working model of a new product or new version of an existing product

Before you start calling things prototypes, learn what the word means first. The only prototype that is on-Point is VertiGo. Just because a ride is the first to be built at a park doesn't mean it's the prototype. The prototype is the "original, full-scale working model" of a ride that is usually built at the ride manufacturer's testing facility.

*** This post was edited by Michael Darling on 2/9/2002. ***

Thank you for that clarification!
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"I will never doubt the forces of physics again"~Passenger leaving MF

'02 MF Rides: 00
'02 Wicked Twists: 00

CoastFreak asked:

"Was Gemini one of the first for the wood/steel hybrid??? "

Not by a long shot, but Cedar Creak Mine Ride was one of the first. As such was among the first (but not the very first) coasters to use tubular steel track. That was a big advance in 1969!

Michael Darling said:
You guys have no clue what the word "prototype" even means do you?

From Dictionary.com:
prototype:
2.)An original, full-scale, and usually working model of a new product or new version of an existing product

Before you start calling things prototypes, learn what the word means first. The only prototype that is on-Point is VertiGo. Just because a ride is the first to be built at a park doesn't mean it's the prototype. The prototype is the "original, full-scale working model" of a ride that is usually built at the ride manufacturer's testing facility.
*** This post was edited by Michael Darling on 2/9/2002. ***

Thanks for clarification Michael, but I just thought I would point out that your quote said "or a new vesion of an existing product." Therefore, Wicked Twister, Millenium Force, Power Tower, etc. are all prototypes. They may not be the original thing, but they are definetely NEW versions of other rides. Seems to me now, that CP has a lot of prototypes, but I still like the concepts that they use. Now if they would only expand on them.

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Mantis Crew '02 - Where's the unload station at?!? ;-)

Psst... Brian it means a model of the new version... ;) :)

key word in your post Michael was "...OR a new version of an existing product."

Wicked Twister is a new version of an existing product so therefore qualifies as a prototype. Power Tower is also a prototype because it was the first S&S tower to have four separate launch pads.

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Mantis Crew '02 - Where's the unload station at?!? ;-)

The Corkscrew may have been Arrow's Loop-screw prototype, although I believe the others have a somewhat different layout.

Magnum, while the first hyper, was merely one in a long line of mine rides -- a genre to which CCMR and Gemini both belong.

IMO, MF's lift hill has a prototype element, but it is not a prototype ride. Adding height, speed, steepness or quantity does not justify a prototype (i.e. Power Tower). So with that, other than Vertigo, I don't think Cedar Point has any protoypes (unless Demon Drop was indeed the first freefall ride). But that's cool, because prototypes, with a few exceptions, turn out to be small and short in duration.

Brian Short said:
key word in your post Michael was "...OR a new version of an existing product."
Wicked Twister is a new version of an existing product so therefore qualifies as a prototype. Power Tower is also a prototype because it was the first S&S tower to have four separate launch pads.
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Mantis Crew '02 - Where's the unload station at?!? ;-)

Not to start a nasty debate (I have no intentions to) but I think that if it were to mean just a new version of an existing product it would have been part of definition 3, or had some sort of punctuation there. Any outside opinions on how we're interperting the English language? This is why people from other countries say English is so difficult to understand... we native speakers can't even agree on it. ;)

That's one things that regardless of what we think, we will agree on - messed up language. But yeah anyways, I'm not trying to start a debate either, but it's just in my opinion that there are probably more "protoype" rides at CP than most people would believe. However in such a market where the littlest differences to an already established rides (i.e. height, speed, etc...) can make such a huge difference, I am respectfully agreeing with and disagreeing with you. No harm, no foul!
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