New Music

Is there any new music in line for top thrill. If there is please tell me.

Why don't you try buying music, son. What you're doing is no different than stealing a CD from Best Buy.

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Jeff - Webmaster - GTTP - My Blog
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What time does the water show start?

Jeff, did you use a xerox machine in school to copy the 3 pages of a book you needed for a report? It's the same difference, no money is exchanging hands, he's xeroxing the part of the CD that he wants. If the RIAA hadn't jacked prices to 20 bucks a CD things wouldn't have gotten out of hand for them. Besides, I'm still waiting for someone sharing MP3s to challenge their lawsuit in court.

Did you ever think that CD's jumped to $20 because of people who download?

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Camper Village/Sandcastle Front Desk 2004

Only want to buy one song, not the whole CD? No problem! Try itunes, and it will only cost you $1. Or my personal favorite, Rhapsody, and there it only costs 80 cents! Rhapsody has *three* different versions of "I can't drive 55" to choose from, one of which is from a live show.

All quite legal.

Edit: I almost forgot my question: can you think of any other reasons why he should be stealing the song? I'll refute those too.

Edit part 2: JuggaLotus, perhaps you should set up a Kazaa server, and challenge the suit yourself. See how far you get.

*** This post was edited by Brian Noble 5/11/2004 12:01:32 PM ***
*** This post was edited by Brian Noble 5/11/2004 12:02:27 PM ***

99% of the MP3's I own are from my own collection of CD's. about .5% are either web-released (they were free anyway) or are independent dance mixes. The remainder I downloaded first, then downloaded a couple of their other songs, and eventually bought the CD. And some of those I only downloaded the one song because I didn't like any others.

As for the price, the price rose long before MP3's gained popularity.

Another thing most people don't realize is that the RIAA doesn't control every song ever put to disc. They have a hand in the big recording/distribution labels, but most indies are not controlled by the RIAA. Unfortunately they leave this part out when they want you to stop sharing music.

The remainder I downloaded first, then downloaded a couple of their other songs, and eventually bought the CD. And some of those I only downloaded the one song because I didn't like any others.

That's theft. Call it what you will, but if you don't have permission from the copyright owner, you can't download tracks---even if you "eventually" buy the album or delete the tracks.

I'm pretty sure our good friend "TTD 120mph" doesn't have permission from either Geffen or Sanctuary to have downloaded the Hagar track.

Don't get me wrong: free music is great, and I have a lot of it pressed to CD. Bands like the Greatful Dead, Phish, etc. that allow their fans to freely tape and trade music are bands that I listen to---a lot---and consequently buy commercial releases from.

But, it's the band's (and label's) choice as to whether that's okay, not yours. If you think the price of CDs is too high, the solution is simple---don't buy any. But, don't go and steal the music as an alternative.

JuggaLotus said:
It's the same difference, no money is exchanging hands, he's xeroxing the part of the CD that he wants.

No stupid, it's not the "same difference" (which is itself an oxymoron). People who create intellectual property for a living need to get paid. Downloading music is not fair use, it's theft.

How do you suppose music would be recorded, movies were made, software written, if no one ever paid for it?

Get a job.

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Jeff - Webmaster - GTTP - My Blog
Blogs, photo albums - CampusFish
What time does the water show start?

Actually, Kazaa has a program that you can pay for. He never said he downloaded it for free. Jeff, why do you have to resort to name calling? That's just childish. Anyway, Juggalotus is correct, the price of CD's skyrocketed way before these music sharing programs. So, I would say that it was the price jacking that started the free downloads, not the reverse.

How was that not the same difference? Do publishers and writers not get paid any more?

Jeff said:
Why don't you try buying music, son.

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Jeff - Webmaster - GTTP -

I don't believe he is your "son".

Stop being such a condecending ass, will you?

As far as I know, "Jeff" is not spelled G - O - D, so stop acting like it is... and you are. What a putz!

If you don't know the difference between excerpting a text for a report and downloading a music track, feel free to read up on the subject.

Edit: here is a very accessible article on the subject---see particularly myth #4.
*** This post was edited by Brian Noble 5/11/2004 1:52:27 PM ***

I stand corrected Brian. I've always considered the two equivalent because you are copying a portion of intellectual material for personal use (whether its song or text). Apparently the law is not written that way. I still don't think the RIAA will stand up in court though, not so much because their copyright case will fall through, but because of the tactics used to determine the identity of the user are IMO borderline violation of privacy.

Thanks, for the info.

John

What a putz!

Who's being condescending now?

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Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway

I think Jeff will agree with us that he was born a Putz, right? ;)
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Millennium Force Laps-137
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Wow, I always thought that this was a website was a place for Cedar Point enthusiasts, and other people came to talk about their favorite amusement park, not a place where people resorted to name calling and such hostility towards each other. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and everyone lives their own lives, so who are we to tell each other what we're doing right and wrong. If that's all we are ever concerned with, what's happening to ourselves? Nobody is perfect, and in the end, we will all learn from our mistakes, and justice will eventually catch up to all of those who are participating in illegal activities. I'm not siding with one side or the other, but please, can we all just settle down and be a little bit more mature instead of calling each other names? This topic has gotten out of hand.

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Trips to CP thus far: none yet...but can't wait!

Wow.. interesting how this thread started and now what it has become. Almost as touchy a subject as religion.

Bro J

John: if memory serves, Michigan (which has a very liberal privacy policy for its computing resources) will comply with the most recent RIAA subpoenas and reveal the identities of nine University members who appear to have distributed music in violation of copyright protection.

The fourth amendment includes a provision by which your "privacy" can be violated by the state: to wit

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

downloading music is not stealing. if artists want us to buy their CD's then make a CD with more than 2 good songs. I always bought 2pac cd's cuz every song on it is good. i download 95% of the music i listen to and its not stealing. so shut up to all you stupid people that consider it stealing, you piss me off.

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"money doesn't make the man but damn i'm making money." -2pac

Perhaps you should save your cogent and sprited legal defense for the judge.

The thing is, and maybe the RIAA has changed their tactics since then, but what I remember reading is that they would find out what IP's were sharing what songs and then go to the ISP's and sue them to get the actual name of the person sharing the songs.

The RIAA is not the state and as such could be violating privacy rights depending on the method used to determine the IP.

Also, there is a difference between students on the network of a public university. And me at home on my own network. In one case, I own the resources inside my walls. In the university case, the university owns the property and can permit searches at any time. I remember this as being part of our agreements when I went to GVSU and lived on campus.

John