More than just a 90 degree twist?

This is of course purely speculative, but here me out.

After looking closely at a webcam, i forget which one of the three it is (i will update this later), i made a realization. Almost direcly after the slope to vertical, the track seems to go past vertical. And I also know, that since it is of course not going past vertical, this is merely what the twist in the track will look like, because the train is the central pivot of the twist in the track. It seems odd to me, that directly after a slope to vertical, even not that high in relation to the whole ride, that the twist would take place. I mean, it would be a bit awkward to twist, then rise up the remaining many feet to the tophat. That is why, I believe that there is a possibility that instead of just twisting 90 degrees, the track may twist another 360 before that. A 450 degree twist, similar to that on wicked twister. In Xcelerator, the twist to vertical is notright away, but it is still sooner, perhaps becuase of the smaller height of the ride. If at all possible, I think the upwards segament rather than the downwards segament of the ride will have this 450 degree twist, with the downwards just having a twist almost immediately after the top hat, then a pleasant near 400 foot drop, straight down, without any interference.

This would add excitement to the ride, and make it a bit more different from Xcelerator. Now if only they made turns in it as well, but since that is pretty much not going to happen, I think this may be the "twist" in the ride needed to spunk it up (no pun intended).

any thoughts? It is not ruled out yet because they havent built that part yet...

I'm nearly positive that there will be a 90 degree twist on the way up and a 270 degree twist on the way down. The proof lies mainly in the "renegade pictures" from last week that were taken down because the person was trespassing. These pics show a gradual twist to the right on the way up (most of the twist is already up), and a less gradual twist on the way down (the pics show that the track has already twisted 180 degrees, with more twisting to be added, as signaled by the supports that were recently put up). Also, the pics show that the next point that the "up" side track will connect to the tower is such that the bottom of the train will be pointing towards MF (the train would be on the outside of the track), plus it shows the beginning of the "levelling off" of the track for the top hat. And I highly doubt that it will twist will it is short of vertical (it would almost be like an inversion).

Plus, a while back, Jeff mentioned that there will be a surprise in the amount of twistage of the down side, but mentioned nothing about the up side. Of course, the expected amount of twistage would be 90 degrees, since that is what Xcelerator does.

Hope that helps. :)

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L-TH-TW-B... "Meh"
Wicked twists: 11

AHA! i have found something that further supports my idea.

http://www.thepointol.com/v2.jpg

check out that picture. notice anything odd? well, not odd, but the track is twisted. that i am sure we can all agree on. As well, i think we can all agree on the fact that that segament of track is not extremely long. Now imagine this: around 100 mph, on that track with that degree of twisting.

thats right. I do not think so. That seems a bit harsh for directly after the slope to vertical, so that MUST be before the top hat, when the speed is considerably lower.

Now, providing my observation of the webcam is correct, in that directly after the slope to vertical, the track appears to go beyond vertical, therefor it is already in a twist, this means that if this is true, there HAS to be an additional twist in the track, more than just the twist directly after the tophat (this was on the downside of the track by the way, I think).

At that rate of twisting, a 90 degree twist would be done in no time (meaning the length of track required is not very large). It is unrealistic for the track to twist a bit right after the slope, then a lot (the rest of the 90 degrees missing from the first twist) right before the tophat. This further corresponds with my theory.

well it could be a 270 degree twist, or even a 450, which would be even more exciting. All i have seen is a twist directly after the slope to vertical (on the downside) suggesting more of a twist than 90 degrees, corresponding with your idea. This matches with that picture above. I doubt one would be gradual, and one would not be gradual, with them both being the same twistage.

MajinX, check your mail.

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L-TH-TW-B... "Meh"
Wicked twists: 11

Majin Heero, please get me up to speed. From what I've been reading here, am I right in saying that during the launch it will twist 90 degrees, so that when it goes over the tophat, it will give us a view looking down on Millennium Force and then nosediving and "straightening out" for the brake run?

Personally, I think that when a ride like Wicked Twister does all it's twisting, I can't concentrate on the angle or the height because I'm too busy getting rocked from the twists. I hope Sweet Sixteen has some perfectly straight track, hopefully on the way down.

I just found something on SFMM what they are going to build in 2004 it's a wooden coaster check it out below

http://wes.atomicacedvd.com/sfmmplans.jpg

What do you think of that?
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Carsten, what is it with you finding fake stuff and thinking it's real. That pic is worse than the mysterious picture of #16 that popped up. Of course that is a fake picture. Do you think Six Flags would actually make fun of themselves?

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Carsten16,

You made my month with that post...I'm still crying as I type....

haha.. i love that pic.
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the tip off is the comment :we'll only be running one train anyway, typical teen complaint

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i think there is a chance we are all wrong! look at this new webcam view.

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/inside_park/webcam/beach.cfm

it is not entirely clear, but it appears as though the up and down portion of the track have the same twistage at this point. Could it be a twist right away, then vertical for a bit rather than a twist right before the tophat? or is it possible that there is still more of a twist on the downside, but the upside twists earlier as well? or is it possible they both twist more than just 90 degrees?

here is my no limits attempt with a 450 degree twist on the way down. btw, this is my first attempt at using no limits, so its not perfect, but i sure tried.

http://xlordvegetax.homestead.com/files/16.nltrack
*** This post was edited by MajinX 11/21/2002 11:54:41 AM ***

At least u tried to build it. Try my creation of the ride at coasterbuzz.com The ride is called Cedar Point Number 16 with twist. http://games.coasterbuzz.com/download.aspx?PeopleID=11557 Still not perfect but better!!!

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Wicked Twister is a great ride! Just because it looks simple soesn't mean it sucks! I wouldn't mind having it in my back yard!

I swear I am seeing things...but in the backround of this picture (posted above):

http://www.thepointol.com/v2.jpg

The track looks like its splitting into two tracks. Is this for a double station? It also looks like it could be two different pieces of track, so tell me what you guys think.

oh yeah, a while back I was a little mean about the brakes, !sorry! I was wrong anyways. Oops...

The side closest to the midway will be 90 or possibly 450 degrees. The reason is it turns towards the other side, and those are the two turns than would line up with the tophat.

On the other hand, the side farther from the midway will be 270 or 630 degrees. If it was only 90 degrees, it would be pointing towards MF, so it's not a possibility. However, 270 degrees is very likely since it works and 630 seems inpractical in this case.

Yeah, I was going to note that. 450 degrees on the way down would end up pointing you in the same direction of the launch (towards Gemini). It's definitely going to be 270 (almost for certain).

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What goes up must come down

Since the columns are starting to angle in to the center, I think the debate about how much twist there will be can be put to bed. There isn't going to be enough vertical length for any more than 90 deg up and 270 deg down. The ground level cam shows that pretty well.