MF... Inversion?

I was just wondering what exactly qualifies as an inversion. Hydra's dive loop, which is not completely upside down, is qualified as an inversion. MF's banked turns are not considered inversions. Since both are similarly banked, I was wondering what exactly constitutes something as an inversion.

LET'S NOT FIGHT OVER THIS AGAIN.

There is an agreement that 135 degrees is a inversion.

I think its an interesting question and it doesn't have to turn into a fight. I think on MF they count the first overbanked turn as a hill, don't they? You always hear talk of the third "Magnum" hill which is really the second, isn't it?

Clear as mud... Leave it at that.

Q. - What qualifies as an inversion?

A. - What ever element the marketing folks decide to call an inversion.

This has been one of those arguments that have been around since the beginning of time (or MF). But the bible site of coasters and stats, RCDB.com does not consider it an inversion. So I do tend to agree with MF310 that it is not an inversion.

Doesn't hold a record for being the steepest non-inversion turn or something like that idk.

Quote from the CP website. "Steepest non-inversion banked turn on a roller coaster (122 degrees)."

And:" 122-degree overbanked turns (extremely banked, but not quite inverted)."

Many can still disagree as to whether or not it is an inversion but I'll take Cedar Points word for it.

There isn't an explicit definition, not even an implicit one at that. Therefor it's as clear as mud.

Does it mean your feet are higher than your head? In that case they are inversions.

180 degrees is not right either because some inversions are not 180 degrees at any point.

There is probably an element that is less than 135 degrees (halfway between 90 and 180 BTW) that is considered an inversion.

Clear as mud? I think so...

well, to me the banked turns are definently not an inversion. I could never see a severly banked turn as an inversion.

It's actually really close to an inversion and thats why there is a debate about it. It's not a inversion by a few degrees but there is no doubt when going past the first bank your head is facing more towards the ground(I really don't care if it's not an inversion cause its still one of the best rides ever!)

This sounds like one of those fights.

Is demon drop a roller coaster?

Is the overbank on mf an inversion?

Is superman the escape a roller coaster?

Some questions just cant be answered.

Actually I can answer all three of those questions for you. Demon Drop is not a roller coaster. The overbank on Millenium Force is not considered an inversion. And Superman the Escape is considered a roller coaster but not a full circuit coaster.
*** Edited 4/18/2005 9:46:04 PM UTC by BongKong***

By those definitions you could argue then that Demon Drop is a full-circuit rollercoaster. I mean it does have wheels on a track ... *** Edited 4/18/2005 2:03:14 PM UTC by cyberdman***

I don't feel that the banking on MF is an inversion. However, I had a background on my computer once where I previously worked and it was a shot of the first drop and overbanked turn with a car on the turn. My ex-girlfriend said, "I don't remember going upside down on that coaster." I told her that we didn't and it just looks like that in the picture.

Wow. This topic will go far. There are some things that are not worth arguing.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in all of that.

I myself do not feel that it is an inversion.

But consider this...what if the turn were not to flatten out and head back towards the base of the lift hill and bank left through the tunnel into hill three, but rather pulled itself back under the track and end up along Perimeter Road? It would then look very similar to Mantis' dive loop, although very tilted, which is considered an inversion. Does the issue become more about the orientation of the element rather than the amount of degrees banked? How "slanted" can a dive loop be?Just a thought.

at a certain point of slant, it would seem to be considered a helix.