Knox County editorial

Perculata you hit the nail on the head. It is CP's problem but it SHOULDN'T be. They, and I, and many others who don't want to hear it, have to hear this sh*t nonstop. Yes CP has to deal with them, that is my whole @%((@! problem! It is intamin's, and maybe a few employees of other parks faults, and they are the ones that should be taking the heat, not Cedar Point!

It's complete blasphemy to bash CP about all of this, and It's disgusting to hear people that are "loyal" customers say they aren't loyal because it's discriminatory. Well, that in fact, contradicts loyal.

Like I said, please let it stop.

That's just my take.

I have been to many other parks in my life and guess what? Guests of exceptional size get turned away from attractions all across the entire world. When will the common CP guest finally understand simple concepts such as these. CP is no different than any other park. If you physically can't fit in a safe manner in any ride in this country you can't ride it, end of story. If I ever gained enough weight that I couldn't ride a CP attraction I would go on a diet until I could fit. The negative media surrounding CP this year and last year needs to stop. People should bash parks with real issues, parks that have bad safety standards and customer satisfaction issues.

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About the contradicting myself: wrong. And for you to resort to little petty remarks like that makes you look terrible. Don't feed into the trend of using gramatic mistakes and such as arguments

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"My dad is just a really strong guy" "He admits that he needs to lose weight". That's contradicting.

My petty remarks make me look terrible? All you are saying is: Lose weight if you can't ride. You are being totally rude about it. No need for that! What are your stats? I'm sure you are able to ride, or you wouldn't be griping to overweight people who can't ride!

What gramatic mistakes are you reffering to?

Is this going to be a thread that is 20+ pages long too?

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"My dad is just a really strong guy" "He admits that he needs to lose weight". That's contradicting.

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That's not really contradicting. A lot of overweight people are really strong, but they can still lose a little pounds. My uncle, for instance, is overweight. However, he's as strong as an ox. I don't see how that's contradicting.

-Eagle-

My stats at the time I rode the MF June 27-28 were 5' 10", 245, so I fit in that category, strong but needs to lose weight. And I was just as strong in May when I weighed 267. So my conclusion is yes, a lot of weight was in my chest and shoulders, but there was/is a lot of weight to lose still.

What I am realizing is that while I was huge at nearly 270, and thinking I didn't look 270, there was a ton of fat on me. At 240 now, I look better, but realize there is 40 more lbs. to go.

The bottom line on fitting in the MF is in your body shape, I saw a guy get asked to leave the traing, who was much smaller than me, but his body shape must have been wrong for the seat. Try the test seat!

I do not see where Cedar Point has received a Get Out of Negative Publicity card. Any business, no matter how wonderful it is, is going to be subject to negative criticism from time to time. How they choose to respond to that criticism is a indicator of how well they are prepared for that problem.

I don't remember the exact quote but I seem to recall that a tenet of customer service is that you should try to make it that nobody complains but since complaints are inevitable, customer service should be prepared to try and repair the strained relationship in the best way possible. There are apparently legitimate questions from some that this is not the best way possible to handle the situation.

Mindsets are a lot more difficult to change than mechanical devices and telling people to lose weight is an impractical solution to a mechanical problem.

o.k. there is a simple soulution to this whole mess that cedar point overlooked because it will coast them money. how much money would it cost to just buy three new trains that are just like TTD trains which are just fine and work with two locking cylinders.

they could afford it because they are not building a new attraction till 2006 where is all of our money going into kinsels retirement fund?

this is what i think CP should do and it would shut everone up.

Now that the voice of reason has officially spoken courtesy of coolfun5688, we can all quit arguing over who's fault it is or isn't. Not only did we get the oh-so-simple solution to the problem, but we also got confirmation that there will not be any new attractions at least untill 2006. You sure eased me mind.

Glad you're amused, Jordan Isenberg.

You should try being one of the people who had no problem riding in the past four years and now cannot ride. Not so amusing in those situations.

You are right about one thing: It's not discrimination.

What you don't acknowledge is that Intamin is in butt-cover mode in response to a situation in Massachusetts that by most accounts points to operator error. And CP is along for the ride (while some of us are not). Without the May incident at Six Flags New England, there would not be voluminous threads devoted to these types of subjects.

But that's OK, Jordan Isenberg: Go ahead and call us names, (very mature, by the way).

Hope you feel like a big man, or woman, or whatever you happen to be. Sorry, can't tell from the first name. *** Edited 7/12/2004 8:35:22 AM UTC by Boatman*** *** Edited 7/12/2004 8:36:04 AM UTC by Boatman***

Being a disabled parent of 2 wonderful girls, I am all for discounted or free admission to these types of places! While I think my children should get to enjoy an amusement park, I only need to go to be with them. I cannot ride any of rides, play any of the games, ect.
Now the fact that you cannot ride a ride do to your size, well I just don't buy that as a disability. I may have agreed with you if Cedar Point had not made an effort to inform the public about their new ride policy. It was on several news stations, raido news on several stations, in newspapers and posted on their website. You failed to research your trip fully before making it--somethinga truely disabled person quickly learns they must do.

As for disabled admission to parks, I emailed 3 in Ohio -- 2 offer disabled admission prices and one does not. Can you guess which one? Yep - Cedar Point! I have copy/pasted their replies below:

Kings Island:
Dear Dreamweaver:

Thank you for writing. There is a price offered to those with medical restriction which prevent them from riding the majority of our attraction which is available at the front gate admission window. The price is $25.99.
Taryn Weber
Operations Manager, Guest Relations
Paramount's Kings Island
taryn.weber@paramountparks.com

Geauga Lake:
Dreamweaver,

Thank you for your interest in Geauga Lake Family Amusement Park.
Geauga Lake offers a discount for disabled guests as well as a brochure available at guest relations when you visit the park.

We look forward to having you at our park. If you have additional questions please contact us at (330) 562-8303. The extension for guest relations is 4222.

Sincerely,
Ashley
Information Center Rep.

Cedar Point:
Hi

Thank you for your interest in Cedar Point.

Cedar Point does not offer a discount for disabled adults.

If you email address to me, I will send you the Family Getaway Guide, our detailed information booklet that contains pricing information, a calendar with hours of operation, resort package information and lots more. It takes about 7-10 days to receive it. If you are coming sooner, we can hold the booklet at Guest Services (located just to the right of the admission turnstiles) for you to pick up when you arrive.

If you have any other questions about Cedar Point, please call our Information Line at 419-627-2350.

Judy Smith
Information Specialist
Phone: 419-626-0830 ext. 2908
E-mail: cpinfo@cedarpoint.com

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Jordan Isenberg said:
You mean to tell me that if you were in a position of high authority at Cedar Point and a coaster (designed by the same company that three of your coasters are) from another park showed an extreme safety hazard, you wouldn't be the least bit worried?

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Its already been shown that the accident was caused by operator error, not a breakdown in equipment. So its not a safety hazzard.

Second, does someone who can pull 6 inches of belt through (and thusly can loosen their belt by that much during the course of the ride) seem safer than someone on whom the belt is completely tight when they BUCKLE it?

I'd rather have the second person sitting in front of me than the first.

exactly juggalotus thats what i think but i guss intamin didn't think of that.

There were several factors that contributed to the accident, according to the report, of which operator error was one.

Ya, I still don't see how a man snug in his seat is more dangerous than a toothpick with tons of slack. But, I don't design the coasters, so I can't really say that Intamin is wrong.

-Eagle-

No, none of us can. Which is exactly why I cannot understand why people are having such a problem with the new seatbelt positions. Intamin knows what they are doing. If the seatbelts are moved, it's because Intamin decided that it needed to be done.

Exactly! Inatamin wouldn't do this just for kicks and giggles.

-Eagle-

It seems like this is going in circles again, with people not understanding the real point here. We've already been over why this is a knee-jerk reaction.

I think these losers are the most self centered B*tchs in the world. they dont give a crap about other peoples safety or there well being. Its all about me me me. Im fat i cant ride, let me on so i can put healthy people in jeapordy. there are 67 other rides in the best damn park in the world and these losers manage to get all mad about 1 problem. you dont deserve to be in the most fun place in the world if it has 68 rides and you can still manage find a problem with it.

Venting.

What is your problem TTDsam? That was so incredibly insencitive!

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let me on so i can put healthy people in jeapordy

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First of all you can be healthy and very muscular and not be able to ride. Second of all, if you were sitting next to an "unhealthy" person, it wouldn't effect your restraint in the least. They are all individual, or have you never been to the park to know this?

If you get so upset over "losers" being upset that they can't ride, why do you continue to READ the topic.

Go vent somewhere else and refrain from name calling.

What are you talking about, TTDsam!?

-Eagle-