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Shouldn't Intamin get the blame for not making a functioning ride? Cedar Point just gave them the money and land to put it on, why should it be their fault when Intamin messes up? That valve blowing, the faultly cable snapping, and the brakes not dropping had nothing to do with Cedar Point making mistakes. It was all problems that started with whoever made the ride, or made the ride's parts. I can assure you that Cedar Point doesn't make their own coaster parts.
But anyway, I was just wondering why everybody here is point their fingers at Cedar Point as it they are the bad guys. It seems to me that Intamin (or whoever made the parts) made all the mistakes that were made, and Cedar Point gets all the blame for it.
Again, thats just a trend I've been noticing and don't know why it's happening. So I'm asking you guys if I'm just missing out on something or whats going on here?
The first was the cable snap, which I doubt Intamin directly manufactured. That shouldn't be considered the fault of either CP or Intamin.
The second has been this ongoing downtime, which, from the few reliable media sources available, seems to be the result of a key part failure, followed by a desire to test the ride extensively with the new part installed. Either the the part failed because it was faulty, or the design of the ride put too much stress on the part. If it's the former, then there's no big deal. If it's the latter, there might be a problem.
But the point is this: The ride has been open six weeks. I think it's too early to place 'blame' on anyone just yet. You could argue that they opened the ride too soon, but the alternative would have been no better, since it would have been completely down with nobody enjoying a ride.
It's too early to see if any of Dragster's "problems" should be of even remote concern, long-term. So to answer your question, I think it's too early to find 'fault' on any party involved.
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"What time does the 10 pm laser show start?"
neo said:
Yes, but you missed the point.
No, I didn't miss the point. I agree that CP isn't to blame, but I don't think Intamin is to blame, either. That's because I don't think any of the facts so far warrant the placingof 'blame' on anyone. I'm merely questioning the assumed premise of Voodoo's argument, see?
He also brought up an intersting point that some it seems cannot grasp - Cedar Point does not make ride parts. The parts of the ride is what are failing. There is no reason to get mad at cedar Point for this downtime. It is simply not their fault. You can imagine they want it up and running MORE than anyone else. I sit here and wish I could go down and lend a hand to get it up and runing again, but I am not a CP ride Mechanic, so I can't.
I could go on, but I will see what thi post accomplishes
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Now I know it's only been 2 months, and I really don't mind all too much that it's having problems. Yes, I would have loved to have rode it yesterday when I went, but oh well. I know it'll run soon enough. (Thats not what this topic was about anyway, it was about everybody saying Cedar Point is at fault because THEY built this ride, when that's not the case at all.)
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D/\MN GINA!!!!!!!!
Missed my point entirely
So you are saying Intamin knew this company would produce the 1 in a million valve that woould have a problem eh? Dam what a conspiracy
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If you're scared of heights, you won't be after Cedar Point
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D/\MN GINA!!!!!!!!
*** This post was edited by Check It 6/18/2003 1:14:40 PM ***
Check It said:
...Simply because it is in CP's park, CP owns the ride and who else are these irrate customers going to attack?...I understand the downtime, but if the GP is pissed they have no choice but to blame CP. They bought the ride.
I agree there, it is CP's problem now. It's how they handle the problem that counts now. I think they are doing a good job with what they can. You can imagine the frustration they are going through. They just spent $25 million on a ride that isn't working properly. The GP just don't get a ride on 1 of 16 coasters.
To bring back the car analogy, I know it's not the same but bear with me. Now imagine you bought a car and it blew a valve. Should your passenger be mad at you because they can't ride in your car? Now you can either let them walk home (screw you, hope you come back) or you can offer them a cab ride (front of the line pass).
As far as who to blame, that depends on who manufactured the faulty valve. It's not a standard part. I don't know of too many 10,000hp hydraulic launch systems. It's not something that would be in stock and would have been tested a million times before. Now they are testing the ride to make sure it was the fault of the valve and not a bigger problem where the blown valve was the outcome. The cable, those can come from anywhere and this one just happened to break. If it breaks again real soon then they would have to start looking at the design. Maybe consider a stronger cable, etc. It's just too early. It could be a design flaw, it could just be a couple bad parts, that's the purpose of all the testing lately.
As far as the GP goes, most people just don't know who Intamin is. CP could have come up with this thing and built it in the parking lot for all they know. They blame the park because that's who they know.
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-Mike
The Fast and the Fearless
*** This post was edited by IntegraGSR 6/18/2003 1:28:20 PM ***
And give me a break about the cable. Blame Intamin? Funny, I didn't realize there were special Intamin cables.
The public doesn't know or care about who Intamin is.
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Jeff
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Nobody here blamed Intamin on the cable. I think everybody is in agreement that Intamin has nothing to do with a standard cable.
And finally, well said. GP has no idea who Intamin is.
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-Mike
The Fast and the Fearless
Jeff said:
The majority of disappointment and noise is from people who aren't even in a position to go to the park... Those of us who are regulars really aren't that bothered by the whole thing.
I sort of agree with you, but sort of not, Jeff. Of my 8 visits so far this season TTD has been open for 4. Given the highly addictive nature of the ride I'd really like to ride it every time I get out to the Point. The unfortunate truth is, out of my visits, the ride has had less than 50% uptime.
This is distressing. I understand the problems they're having and that they can't be resolved right away... but that doesn't change the fact that every time I see the (really permanent looking) signs that say "Top Thrill Dragster will not open today..." I am disappointed.
I'm likely not as disappointed as a person who has driven 8 hours to get to the park (they're probably angry, not diappointed), but I'm still disappointed. It's extremely frustrating, even to a regular visitor like me, to have the newest and biggest toy come in a box that says "batteries not included, some assembly required."
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- John
Safety is everybody's responsibility.
Michael Darling said:
I'm likely not as disappointed as a person who has driven 8 hours to get to the park (they're probably angry, not diappointed), but I'm still disappointed. It's extremely frustrating, even to a regular visitor like me, to have the newest and biggest toy come in a box that says "batteries not included, some assembly required."------------------
- John
Safety is everybody's responsibility.
You took the words right out of my mouth and could not have put it better. I will just have to book more time off later this year and try to make the 7 hour trip again.
Bro Jay
My main point is my father (who is nearing retirement now), has worked his entire life with air valves and pipes, etc. And when I told him about TTD's failsafing brake mechanisms that required power/air pressure to keep them down, and would otherwise come up automatically, he said "Yea, but AIR VALVES OFTEN STICK, and while they work well most of the time, they might not be the best failsafe mechanism."
I kinda shrugged it off when he told me that, thinking that CP & Intamin had thought about that somehow, but it seems Ol' Pops knows his stuff.
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Life has it's ups and downs, might as well make it on a coaster!
I still think most of you have missed the point, and as Jeff stated, hardly any of you visit the park more than a few times a year, so you have even less room to place blame on anyone..
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"What time does the 10 pm laser show start?"
I think you are missing the point. The point was that CP should not be blamed for the ride not working. Then it was said that Intamin should not be blamed either because the fault was individual parts not manufactured by either companies. All was agreed. I thought it was a good topic to discuss, it also was a good way of alleviating the, almost daily, onslaught of new posts bashing CP for the ride not working. Those posts alone were creating a bigger argument and flame war than this little dispute here ever could.
Now our opinions are null and void because we don't go to the park everyday? That makes absolutely no sense at all. It's also further away from "the point" of the original post than anything else.
On a side note, neo, Jeff's "point" was that those living further away are more disappointed about TTD being down. He did not in any way say that our opinions did not mean anything, it was just an observation. I'm sure he would be the most willing to let people have their opinions. More opinions = more discussion.
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-Mike
The Fast and the Fearless
*** This post was edited by IntegraGSR 6/19/2003 3:31:48 AM ***
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