If you could fix the "world record problem"

As many of you already know, SFMM is going to try to claim that they have the most coasters in one park. I don't like to try and predict what CP will build next, but we can wish right.
MY ANSWER: A DUELING WOODIE
All the clues as of late point to this being a more than likely reality. We know CP's PR crew will still claim the world record until proven different by Guinness. Then they'll GRACIOUSLY step down, and go for round 2 the next year.

Problem? What problem? The only people who seem to have a problem are the SFMM cheerleaders who are goofy about SFMM beating CP's record, and the CP cheerleaders who somehow think it's the end of the world. Grow up, people, the parks are 2,500 miles apart; it's not like they exactly draw from each others' ADI...!

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Who cares about the record books. I have been to both parks and they are both good places. However, Cedar Point will always be better regardless of some stupid statistics.

Wow... it's not often you get a rise out of Dave like that. Clearly I'm not the only one who finds the endless discussion on the subject boring and unnecessary. ;)

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Jeff
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Millennium Force laps: 50

ugh

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if I used spell check on this post,this signature will not have any misspellings!!!!

I have avoided the topic because it is senseless to fight over. Bragging rights are nice but becuase CP doesn't have the most coasters does that mean the people won't come? Its not the end of the world......Is it May yet?

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daniel j. haverlock
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What do you mean by DUELING woodie?

All you who are worried about the stupid coaster record must only be fair weather fans of Cedar Point. If you REALLY love Cedar Point then you love them record or no record. They may not have the most anymore but they still have the best and most deverse collection of roller coasters anywhere on the planet. So please give us all a break and GET OVER IT ALREADY!

I love Kennywood. I'm not aware of any records it holds. Jeff loves Busch Gardens Williamsburg. It only has 5 coasters. A lot of people love Michigan's Adventure. It's nowhere near Cedar Point calibur. People will continue to travel to Cedar Point from all around the country to ride it's awesome selection of coasters, flat rides, and live shows. Don't forget the beach, soak city, etc., etc., etc. Losing the "Most Coasters" record is not going to bring the downfall of Cedar Point. Go to sleep at night with that in the back of your head and maybe you'll all sleep a little better.

(And if you must, think about this: Some people think this move by Magic Mountain actually will cause its own downfall. Interesting, eh?)

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.

I am really tired of people saying "Who Cares" because if people didn't care then these topics would not be popping up here or at coaster buzz. If we are going to discuss it we might as well do it without all the "grow up" and "stop worring about it"

If I could fix it, I would say make a standard or what is a coaster and what isn't, what do duel coasters count as 1 or 2. That would solve all problem of records. But since there is no coaster councle (Survivor) than there is no way or saying.

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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point.

I'm glad CP lost it's record. That's a lot of pressure to live up to. Now instead of going for record breakers every time, just start building some nice mid-range coasters. We don't need the world's tallest full-circuit LIM, looping coaster...just a good one. CP has had great luck with record breakers, but SOB at PKI is the perfect example as to why record breakers are not necessary. I could easily name 20 woodies I'd rather go on that are half the size or less.

Something interesting about the PKS "downfall". ON the NYSE, PKS is already Down around 16 today while FUN (cedar fair) is up today around 18. I know this means piratically nothing to compare the two company's with a difference of a measly $2 but here is some more things. At one time PKS was above 40 and continues to drop, While FUN ( a much smaller company) seems to be always bubbling around 20. After the announcement, I watched PKS and it hardly flinched. It appears it will continue to drop. If I bought PKS when it was around 40 I would be angered right now. While as the price of FUN at least shows potential by going up every once in a while, PKS has not had any gains were they can show strong for even a month. If that park that has the number after 5 as well as Irving Johnson's nickname in it its name somewhere (I said I would not say it) does not show great profit this year, I think a selloff may be in the making.



*** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/2/2001. ***

Interesting thing about that...

Earlier this year, when FUN announced that they wouldn't have quite the earnings growth that had been projected (but that it was still a good year), FUN was practically unaffected...but it triggered a stock-price disaster for PKS.

Go figure!

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

That's What caused that huge drop-off in PKS? That is funny. FUN should do the same thing next year and see what happens. If it drop's that much again, PKS wont have enough money from all the stocks to put new wheels on their coasters.

Now, now, Joe, it's not that we should wish ill upon PKS...I think it's a matter of, "Hey, if the most profitable* company in the business is taking a hit this season, then what about one that has a higher debt load??".

I'm not certain that's what caused PKS to get hammered, but the timing was about the same, and I remember seeing that in some rag someplace, that FUN announced that they'd miss projections and the investors hammered PKS. When in fact, outside of their stock price, PKS really didn't have a bad year...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
*Not sure about that. Anybody know for sure?

I am not one to complain about who has the most coasters. I mean oh well SFMM got 1 more coaster then CP big deal. I mean really, is it going to affect your life? Probably not, so just get used to the fact that CP lost the most coasters.

I love CP a lot but look Cp has MF, Magnum, Raptor, Mantis, Mean Streak and many other great ones. Just because they aren't the most doesn't mean they aren't good does it? Because CP doesn't have the most coasters does that make the park any less then last year when they had the most?

That's just my opinion take it for what it's worth. I'm 15 and have my own opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone.

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5) Superman: Ultimate Escape *** This post was edited by Raging bull on 1/2/2001. ***

I agree with Magnum2G3. For those who don't seem to understand why people care about CP losing their record, here's why I care: I guess I'd gotten used to my favorite amusement park always being the best and the one with the most rides. I've come to realize that my expectations were just too high. But I sincerely hope that a park as well respected in the amusement buisness as CP will do what they have to do to regain the record.

I say just slap up a couple of Wild Mouses, cheap and effective.

If CP has (arguably) one less coaster than SFMM, does that make CP not the best anymore? Of course not! The park is much more than just coasters. It still has the record for the most rides, if that makes you feel better. I like the way CF does business, especially that it tries to keep it debt load under control. I'd be worried if CF had as high a debt load as Six Flags. The expansion at CP this years makes lots of sense. The cabins and campground upgrade will be a nice moneymaker, probably more so than a new coaster. Maybe CP doesn't have the most coasters any more, but it's a very sound company and the park will thrive for years to come. I wonder what will happen to PKS if a serious economic downturn occurs.

The amusement ride industry is still like miniature golf compared to other industries, but none the less is still big. With all the different park chains out there it still seems Cedar Fair is the most profitable (not sure either). While FUN keeps its investors informed of its gains and, others like PKS seem to be more quite. Just look in the Press Release section of any online broker service. PKS has almost no info while FUN has released expenditures, quarterly profits, and expectations.

Here is another fine example of how Ricky K. knows what he is doing, with an informative press release

http://www.compuserve.com/personal_finance/news_story.asp?TickerSymbols=fun&id=56633120&dt=20001220163900&w=PR&coview=

Bottom line is FUN is profitable and PKS is not. You would think PKS would get a clue and at least look at Cedar Fair. Already they are wasting money buy building the low capacity shuttle. X is a good idea and will bring in more visitors but Déjà vu will most likely be shrouded in the backdrop and is not a main reason why people will travel to the park this year. I am sure their attendance will go up, but once the hype dies down, they should realize they could have used the money they spent now, later to continue the profits. They just build Goliath last year right? I am sure plenty of People in SO-Cal have not even heard of Goliath and now are hearing X. If they would do at least this, it would make more sense.

Goliath 00

X and kiddy coaster 01

Deja Vu 03

That's two more years of continued draw to the park. So when they realize in 2003 they need a new attraction, what are they going to do? Waste more money and Build 3 more coasters? They should spend some of that money on those luxury cabins.

And who is allowing PKS do be 2 billion in debt? They are lucky I am paying my $20 to get into that one park in Aruroa Ohio.