GW Overbanked turn

Since some of the hills are being nicknamed (i.e., Magnum hill) Let's name this final kick to the ride in honor to the former tenant!

How high off the ground will this part be? And how overbanked will it be? From the looks of the POV, it seemed like another 122 degree overbank. Is this right?

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Neil
By popular vote, the Official
start of the Millennium
is now May 13, 1999

According to the official site, the final turn will be 68ft high and "overbanked." I'm assuming this means it will be identical to the other overbanked turns (in degrees banked).

Why did they make all of the "Over Banked" hills the same degree tilt? Is that as far as it could be to ride safely? Any farther has never been tested? Maybe it is not comfertable to ride any farther banked turn? Please give me your thoughts!

they could probibly go farther but they may not be sure and they dont want to push it to far or it could be unsafe or maybe the higher banked the turn the more money it cost and they dident have enough profit from last year to build the turns any higher banked *** This post was edited by MFreak on 2/7/00. ***

No, Actually I believe the reason its not banked more is because they would have to put shoulder harnesses on the trains. That would take away from the ride.

I could just imagine the guys at the plannig committee meeting:
"Ok guys, if we can all pitch in an extra buck or two here we might be able to get them guys over there at Intamin to go an extra degree er two on them there over banked turny thing-a-ma-bobs. What do yunz think???"
...And that is the story of why some of you didn't get your inverted coaster this year...

-Dave Kochman
-Pittsbrgh
(who is entertaining himself with stupid jokes as usual after having his computer eaten by a trojan horse earlier in the day.)

you could be right tmsnake

Thats what they said at the cedar fair meeting

I don't think they "yunz" up there in Sandusky, Dave. That's just "Pittsburghese"...;)
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Brian
Greensburg PA
Hometown parks: Kennywood, Cedar Point!
94 days until the real "Millennium

We're talking about track that is banked 32 degrees past vertical here. If they went much further, they would need to come up with an alternate supporting structure in order to hold the track up without putting supports within the reach envelope.

Furthermore, we don't know that "overbanked" necessarily means "banked at 122 degrees." Overbanked could simply mean that there is more banking than would be required to redirect all of the lateral forces towards the floor of the train. So an 80-degree bank could be considered "overbanked" in some circumstances.

It's just a thought...

What I want to know is why a segment of track on Mantis banked at 120 degrees (180 degrees minus 60 degrees) is considered an inversion while a segment of track on Millennium Force banked at 122 degrees is not.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Simple, Dave... it's marketing!

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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point

Actually, Pittsburghese would be "yinz", not "yunz". :)

As for "if it were inverted we'd need shoulder harnesses" -- I don't buy that. It IS possible to run an inverted ride without shoulder harnesses, given sufficient restraints such as lap bars (just look at Son of Beast for a MODERN example)

The general public (and lawyers :( ) may THINK you need shoulder harnesses, but such is not the case.

Now, I'm not COMPLAINING in this case, since MF doesn't have the dreaded horsecollars. If it's because they're not calling the overbanked turns "inversions", well I can live with that.

For loops it has been proven that OTSRs are not needed [Schwartzkopf proved this dramatically].

However, I'm yet to see a non-OTSR car do a corkscrew.

hey, Bill..you talkin' about the old Tidal Wave launched-shuttle looper from SFGAm? Heck, you didn't even need a lap bar on that one, as proven by a friend of mine and MANY Tidal Wave ride ops. man i miss that ride....
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"I think I scrambled my brain!!"

I'm seriously thrilled about the type of g's we WILL be pulling up into the coaster on those over banked turns, just like Rideman said. With that speed, this could be a whole new type of "air time"--just like someone is pulling you up very rapidly into space by the shoes.

Hey im just saying what was said to me, I know that is can be done and has been done before.

Actually, as legend goes, Anton managed to stop one of his loopers at the top of the loop as reporters were either on or observing. No one fell out.

Now on Drachen Fire [I believe], during the braked corkscrew, the OTSRs actually do keep you in...

My home park is SFoT and our wonderful Anton-built Shockwave double-looper has been running since it was built in the late '70's with no OTSRs.

Anatomically, if you are interested in holding a rider in his seat should the ride fail in an inverted position, the best way to do it is to hold the rider very near his center of gravity. The simplest way to do this is to support the rider's weight at the thighs, which feature the largest bones in the body anyway. As opposed to the clavicles, which are among the *smallest* bones in the torso.

Also, please remember, Bill, just because something *hasn't* been done does not mean that it *cannot* be done. Considering the forces through a corkscrew element, I would think that...because of the applied lateral force...such an element would be *safer* with only a lap bar and a well-designed seat.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

i remember seeing a rather infuriating TV report on the accident that occured on SFGAm's Demon about 3 summers ago now. it stopped in the middle of the first vertical loop, right after the drop. one of the rear wheels had disengaged from the track. TWO hours upside down. one of the "victims"(remember, ride at your own risk) said that when it stopped, the forward momentum flung him forward and then gravity pulled him down. Demon has horsecollars. the report went on to say that in similar accidents involving loops, the riders only had lapbars and sustained FEWER injuries than OTSR's. so which is truly safer? hard to say, but if i was upside down for 2 hours, i think i'd want a horsecollar at that point. anyhoo, i still love the Demon and will only ride it in "THE" train that had the accident...hey 23 years and 33 million riders and ONE incident???

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"I think I scrambled my brain!!"