CP Reopening- Gov DeWine comments

17,437.

Of course I don't know, but we do know that capacity limits (along with virtual queuing) are a thing.

So there is a number, and I'm pretty confident Dewine and Acton would not have said "OK" unless it was a number they thought was OK.

Put it this way. My assumption (I know...I might be an ass) is that the # will be early-June Cedar Point, and not Mid-July weekend Cedar Point.

SarahB1863 said:

DRE420 said:

No, he just reiterated over and over again about how they wanted to keep things as safe as possible. I do believe the pressure of the lawsuits worked.

Unfortunately, yes. A lot of people are going to die needlessly because human beings can't entertain themselves. It's a shame. Future generations will look at this time and ask, "What were they thinking? Didn't they see what happened in 1918? How could they make the same mistake? They had to know what was going to happen, that there was going to be a second wave even deadlier than the first! Why didn't they care?"

All I can say, future generations, is that we said the same thing that others have said when faced with a reality they didn't want to acknowledge: "Nah, that'll never happen to US!"

You sound like a lot of fun.

The casinos got permission to open on June 19th as well. Did they have "secret" lawsuits that pushed the governor to open them as well? I don't think so.

From watching the press conference, it sounds like there was some sort of conference call last week where the governor's office said they needed a week to review the plans that had been submitted, presumably by Cedar Fair. My guess is that after a week passed and they were left out of the Thursday announcement, Cedar Fair decided to move forward with the lawsuits. The reality seems like that the governor's office was just a day later than they said they would be in providing approval.

But hey, feel free to watch the press conference and make your own guess like I did. Ohio posts them all on YouTube.

Ah yes, watching a you tube video always gets you to the raw truth of any incident.

The truth is we will never know exactly what transpired, except that management at CF and Kalahari felt compelled to file.

I did watch the conference live, and I saw a politician doing a very meticulous job of covering his tracks and doing the right thing without saying "I was wrong".

But yes, it's all water under the bridge now. I'm not going to knock Dewine or Acton. I've never been more impressed with a governor's leadership in my lifetime.

DRE420 said:

Wow that's a bold unproven statement. Can it happen? Sure. But it also may not happen. I'll say it again, look at the data out of Seiver County in TN, where Gatlinburg is located. Since they reopened back on the weekend of May 15th, they have only seen a climb of around 30 new cases.

You're arguing that a tourist down, where on any given day the majority of the people are not from that town, hasn't seen a big change in infection rates. There are only 4,000 people who live in Gatlinburg. If it had 30 new cases, that's about 1% of the population in two weeks, which isn't great. And unfortunately, their reporting data sucks. Most of the people in town two weeks ago went home to somewhere else. Apply that to a busy day at Cedar Point, where maybe 30,000 people visit, in a town of 24,000 people.

Those numbers are county wide with Pigeon Forge in there as well. So less than 1% in almost a month. Idk what their testing looks like, but it sure isn't a spike by any means.

Cool, now I just need the border to open.

Kevinj said:

Put it this way. My assumption (I know...I might be an ass) is that the # will be early-June Cedar Point, and not Mid-July weekend Cedar Point.

I am curious to see what the demand is like. Will these dates "sell out" well in advance? Or will I be able to register same day at 6 or 7am if I wake up and it's a nice day and I want to head to the park for the day.

I am also curious on how many dates passholders can reserve at a time.

Also, how far in advance will reserved ticketing go? We have our trip booked for mid August. They just resumed automatic payments for our Hotel Breakers reservation

Vince982 said:

Cool, now I just need the border to open.

I know...we go to Toronto every summer. And not for Canada's Wonderland.

Master D said:

You sound like a lot of fun.

Hey, I wish I was wrong. It'd be great if COVID went away and we could all run out to the amusement parks without worrying about getting a virus that's extremely contagious and has killed healthy young people and left others with massive health problems that they'll have for the rest of their lives.

History tells me I'm not wrong, though. Google "Spanish pandemic of 1918" to see what I mean. Pay particular attention to what happened when people flooded the streets late in the year to celebrate the end of WWI. (spoiler alert: the flu came roaring back and didn't go away for 2 years).

What's changed that suddenly everybody's opening up? Do we have a treatment? No. Widely available testing? No. A vaccine? No. Have infection rates dropped? Not really. Actually, they're going UP in a lot of places. Florida recently opened up and saw its COVID cases more than double in a single DAY.

We are literally exactly where we were in March. The only thing that's changed is, people have gotten impatient. They see nice weather and want to be out in it. So they pressure their governors to "open or else." And the governors, fearful of reprisal, are opening up.

It isn't even half a percent safer than it was in March, but human beings are dumb and think if they don't care about something it goes away. But science doesn't work that way.

You make a lot of good points SarahB and I respect your concern because it is about lives. A couple points you are missing when you say what has changed: we are much better prepared now for virus spikes. The hospitals here in Erie Pa for example are telling the state they are pretty empty and ready for much bigger loads of Covid and are basically saying open up. Also the weather and being outdoors, the science is showing it is very difficult to get enough viral load to get this virus outdoors. So there are a couple important factors that make it not so doom and gloom (hopefully).

1918 was 102 years ago, when the life expectancy for men was about 50 for men and 55 for women, and before penicillin was even invented, let alone any other modern medicine. There is hardly any comparison at all.

I don’t understand what average life expectancy and penicillin (an antibiotic that has no impact on any virus) has to do with COVID-19.

The methods used by viruses to transmit and our tools to contain that transmission have changed very little in the past 102 years, so the comparison is very strong.

SarahB1863 said:
...Google "Spanish pandemic of 1918" to see what I mean. Pay particular attention to what happened when people flooded the streets late in the year to celebrate the end of WWI. (spoiler alert: the flu came roaring back and didn't go away for 2 years). (...)

We are approximately one week into that continuing experiment.

At least one protester in Columbus has supposedly tested positive.

If it is as bad as all that, we *will* start to see numbers edge up in another week. The Ohio confirmed new case numbers have been increasing over the past two days, ending a 5-day slide, but the increase is no more significant than the decline was; the new case rate is still infuriatingly stable at around 430 new cases/day, about where it has been for the past month.

On a related note, I did see an article recently (don't remember source, saw it on social media, consider it unreliable and anecdotal...) indicating that while one person tested positive who had attended those pool parties in Lake of the Ozarks on MDW, and while that person had been to no less than six different venues and in contact with hundreds of people (think Korean Patient 31 type behavior), there have so far been no reported positive tests or symptomatic cases linked to that person.

Remember, if you're out protesting, be strong and safe and try to maintain appropriate social distancing. If you are rioting, please maintain appropriate antisocial distancing...and please knock it off, as you're not doing any good for anyone.

(I'm sure there are no rioters here...)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Cargo, I'm simply referencing the fact of how long ago 1918 was, and how may things have changed since then, how far we have come medicinally. How do we know if the medicines we have available today wouldn't have worked on a virus back 100 years ago. We don't. I get that is not the point here, and I'm not saying it won't or can't happen.

RideMan said: (I'm sure there are no rioters here...)

Only JustCoasting. And he was rioting to be made whole for incorrect wheel placement on the Steel Vengeance trains and max hourly capacity as it related to the guarantee he was given when he purchased his Annual Pass.

Master D said:

The hospitals here in Erie Pa for example are telling the state they are pretty empty and ready for much bigger loads of Covid and are basically saying open up. Also the weather and being outdoors, the science is showing it is very difficult to get enough viral load to get this virus outdoors. So there are a couple important factors that make it not so doom and gloom (hopefully).

Yes, here's hoping! I for one will be very happy if history does not repeat itself.

It's great that the hospitals are ready, but the fact remains that if you get COVID it does things to do you that doctors are still trying to figure out. Children are having cardiovascular ruptures. Healthy young adults are stroking out and dying. People get it, seem to be recovering, then die. And of course, we have no idea if this virus is something that you get, get over, and then it comes back in 40 years and does something even worse to you (the way chicken pox can give you shingles.)

It's a big fat wad of unknowns at this point, and most doctors are saying it's a huge gamble to open things up, especially since cases are rising, not falling. But the politicians are calling the shots now, not the doctors; and the politicians are unfortunately taking their orders from the mobs storming state capitals with AR-15s. With any luck we'll be OK. I sure hope so.

I definitely don't understand the logic that the hospitals are ready. Just because they're ready to help people doesn't mean I want to be in a position to need their help. "Hey, go ahead and get out there! We're standing by with ventilators, ready to intubate you!"