CP is digging their own grave...

Somewhat, anyway. Just my opinion about this...

Too much, too soon. Everyone says they aren't running out of space...well, technically, they aren't. The thing is though, to get to all this space, trees will need to be cleared...sad thing is about this, they aren't trying to preserve any. They are cutting the wood like mad. It really makes me sad to see a bare park, and the area around Millennium Island looks aweful. If this next ride is as short as everyone thinks, Cedar Point's focus on quality seems to be deteriorating, to me. Bottom line here is...keep the trees. Salvage as many trees as possible... anyone agree?

Just about everyone likes to see a nice shaddy midway, but Cedar Point is not just going in a cutting every tree down in the park. Trees that are being removed are moved so that construction can move along a easily as possible. The trees taked down next to the iron dragon turn were mostly all planted by cedar point after ID was installed. I am sure there will be some nice landscaping after the new ride is fully operational.
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I agree with keeping trees....but we also have to look at it this way...This is a coaster park, The main focus is on rides and coasters...they try to preserve as many trees possible, But in the end there will be trees lost, I agree that CP can do a better job preserving trees. But if you want to see trees, Go to a forest or something...I would love to see more trees at CP...i think CP does a pretty good job preserving the trees...just look at SF, Especially SFGadv...they cut down trees like crazy.

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Lets just wait and see how the ride is landscaped after the ride is in. I personally feel too many tress were cut down, but we are possibly getting a 400 footer. Trees or 400 footer? Ill take the 400 footer. Now, if they mess this badly with Frontier Trail I will have a problem. Take away the vegetation there and you lose the whole atmosphere of that part of the park.

Needless quotation removed... I mean really, do you think anyone isn't going to realize what you're replying to? I mean, is there another thread on this page that I haven't seen? -J

Hmm, I love it. We dont even know the stats on the thing and people are already complaining about it. "Its to short", "the quality is deteriorating" Please. Wait until the thing is built and you ride before making statements like that.

Regarding trees, I would like them to keep as many as possible, but as said previously. I will take a 400ft coaster (or thereabout) and less trees anyday.

*** This post was edited by Jeff 9/14/2002 8:48:28 AM ***

no trees = deteriorating quality?? What are we supposed to do? strap in and ride the trees?
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MillenniumXL_200 said:
no trees = deteriorating quality?? What are we supposed to do? strap in and ride the trees?
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LOL....yea thats what i said...this is a Coaster park...not a National Park or a wildlife preserve....we come here for Thrills and Excitment

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Cedar Point is deteriorating? When did they get rid of Magnum, Raptor, Millennium Force, Mantis, Wicked Twister, and Mean Streak? I don't check the site for a few days and look what happens....

-Mikey

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I agree some areas could stand some trees but I still will take a new coaster over the trees. I do think one place they could stand to plant some and let them take over a while is around and inside the mine ride. At PKI i really enjoy there mine ride because the area is over grown with bushes and trees and it really adds to teh experiance. I have heard about something happening at the mine ride and the trees were riped out , ok, why dont they replace them. I would also like to see some new trees around the new ride once its built so later on they will grow and be more than just riding in an open field type thing.

Anyone been to DCA in its first year?

No trees or shade anywhere. It was too hot (I know its in CA, but the sun is hot anywhere). I would hate for CP to lose all its trees.

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I doubt a lack of trees will spell CP's ultimate demise..

I honestly would like it if they didn't plant anything around ID that they ripped out (who knows, maybe it'll be full with stuff?)...You can see more of the ride...it'll be a more flying experiance rather than racing through trees. This is a coaster hugging park, not a tree hugging park;)

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First off, what's up with the title of this thread? Must be in celebration of Halloweekends... ;)

Regarding the topic:

This same subject came up back during the construction of Millennium Force regarding the destruction of Frontier Trail. Others and myself had doubts as to how CP would preserves the trail; but 2 years later, I really have to say they did a great job. I would even go as far as to say that the retooling was an improvement. The mine tunnel separates the deep trail from the rest of the park, and the sitting area outside of the candy shop was well done. In a few years, the trees will mature once again bringing shade to that area of the trail.

Likewise, CP knows very well what section(s) of the park this new coaster is going to interact with, and I'm sure they have done their best to minimize the impact of the ride during the design process, and will also do their very best to replant and landscape in a sensitive way after construction.

Don't let all that mud you see in the images fool you...
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I think a lot of you people are missing the point in keeping trees inside the park. An amusement park to me is about the overall effect. Roller coasters are great, but they only last for a couple minutes each. Most of your time in the park is spent either walking the midways or in lines for the rides. While you are spending time in these places, the trees do make a difference. If anything, having trees and scenery around a line could put you in a more positive mood before riding a roller coaster even if you don't think about it. This psychological effect could actually enhance the rides. Trees must be cut down to make way for new rides, but the concideration for this aspect of the park has been something concerning me for quite a long time. I'm actually comforted to know someone else has the same concern. Some rides leave the option for trees to grow around them. Others just do not do this. I think it is important for Cedar Point to concider the regrowth factor while designing their rides. It's just not safe to have trees hanging near low peices of track. For this reason, I'm hoping future rides on the island will either have tunnels in low sections or attempt to build above tree level. I think Cedar Point is a beautiful park and they will keep this natural aspect in mind. I'm mainly concerned with what kind of formula they have for keeping this aspect of the park. I think it should include some kind of time interval between building rides in a certain area of the park. In other words, I think they should have let the trees along the edge of Millennium Island grow in more before building around that same area again.

One of the things that impressed me about PKI was the number of huge trees. Agreed, CP isn't going to go downhill due to the removal of trees, especially when they replace them with coasters. I'm sure they will plant more trees, and do some landscaping around the new coaster...they did for MF. There are a lot of planted trees in along the lagoon by ID, Corkscrew and Camp Snoopy. But it's going to be quite a while before these trees reach an impressive height.

for as long as I can remember, the midway at the front of the park was pretty bare, with a couple large trees and the flowerbeds. Frontier Trail and town has a lot of old growth. But the middle of the park has seen the most removal, primarily around PT and Mantis, and now around ID. When the removal is concentrated in one area, it's much more noticable. At least to me it is.
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Ok...Time to chime in...RELAX...Don't worry about a few trees.

If you want to cry (I don't know why you would)..take a look at some photos from the 1960's or early 1970's and see how many trees were on the Point back then...Has that "ruined" anyone's visit to the park? I doubt it...CP will admit Camp Snoopy should have been built with a few LARGE shade trees in place..The LACK of shade is one of the largest concerns about that area, but that will come with time.

CP builds rides and then let's the landscaping grow up around the area...Take a look at White Water Landing and Magnum for a couple of excellent examples of this point. When WWL was first built, (1982) you could see all the way to the lift hill and the drop from the que...but if you look today it is truly amazing to see the way the trees and landscaping has filled in...The same with Magnum...when you are in the que the pine trees near the Midway have completely enclosed the area...you could see the Midway from the que when it first opened.

It is true...CP does remove some landscaping to build for the future, but they also do replace landscaping.

The difference between CP and Disney in this respect is Disney puts Full Grown trees in place (which I would guess is MUCH more expensive) right from the start..CP let's the landscaping age with the ride.

Step back, RELAX, and enjoy the rest of this season and the years to come. I know you will be AMAZED at what CP has in store.

Old Timer Tim, you are my hero. I didn't know they replaced the landscape... You have relieved me of my worries.

Good points, Tim, especially regarding White Water and Magnum. Those areas have really grown in as I've grown up.

Regarding replanting fully grown trees: in addition to beeing very expensive, the likelihood of the transplanted tree not surviving due to disease, root shock, or lack of water is also very high making for an even more expensive venture. The better solution where needed is to chose fast-growing shade trees that are tolerant to local conditions.

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Cannot talk...sore throat...must keeep...typing...

I think that's the main concern though. I was actually impressed with some of the landscaping Cedar Point has done to make sections of their park grow in with grace. The question is how many times you could build in one section of the park before taking that section's oppertunity away to grow back.

If Cedar Point is deteriorating it is beacuse of mantis's paint job, or mean streaks ruffness, or the stapleing that occurs on magnum lately. Not because they replaced some trees with a rocket coaster.