Cedar Fair Entertainment Company High Food Prices

Kevinj said:
I was under the impression that Tim was reffering to people who have the job at Cedar Point sometimes show such little effort in doing their work that it leads to customers having the various "bad" experiences...

Then what does that have to do with being a salary worker doing free overtime? That's an HR and training problem. It has nothing to do with "the problem."

JuggaLotus said:
I think what it comes down to is you are being paid to do X job. If your boss is paying you to do X, and X isn't done in 40 hours, you put in some extra to get X done. That's what you are being paid to do.

Or, as is the case every time in my experience, the time frame to do "X" isn't long enough. Hey, if you want to sell your soul to make someone else rich, more power to you. I just don't want to hear that it makes you a better worker or that you deserve a pat on the back (which is all you're going to get, if you're lucky). Again, if that's irrelevant to the conversation of hourly workers, as I suspect it is, then why bring up salaried workers doing free overtime at all?

Jeff, I understand what your saying about not just handing your employer your life, but I feel that if all Americans had the work ethic they had, say 50 years ago, we as a nation would be stonger. I don't feel that believing you should give all you've got while at work, means I've sold out to a corporate mentality. I bust my butt, so to speak, for more than just my employer. I do it for my "customers" (patients), for myself, because I can take pride & a sense of accomplishment in a job well done, & most of all, to follow my faith that states I should do everything for His glory. So maybe we just have a different perspective. I do feel that if a company takes advantage of you, you should move on to bigger/better things. But with a great work ethic, I think many things will avail themselves to you. :)

That's a nice sentiment, Randi. But there are plenty of economic analyses out there that show that American per capita productivity has increased, pretty much every year, since the Depression. A fair amount of that can be attributed to automation and technological improvement, but part of it is simply that American workers are working harder and at longer hours than at any time since the early part of the last century. Americans work longer, take fewer sick days, and take fewer vacation days than their counterparts from any other industrialized democracy.

Except for me! ;)

^ Shows what I know about economics. I better stick to nursing ;)

We are almost up to 40 signatures. Thank you to all the people that has signed the petition and hope that this is just the beginning. Let make sure we tell Cedar Fair to stop the price gouging over the food and drinks.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/CedarFairHighFoodPrices *** Edited 7/17/2007 9:52:01 PM UTC by coasterxtreme72***

How many are adults who spend money? And how does Petitionspot verify there aren't duplicates? Seems pretty easy to make up names. Real petitions that are used for ballot initiatives, for example, protect against fraud by having people write their name and address, with signatures that can be matched against voter registration.

It would be better for your cause if those 40 people wrote letters to the company with the request. It still wouldn't change anything, but it would be more productive than an online petition. This thread itself, which was intended to tell people about the petition and has generated good discussion, carries more weight.

When you sign the petition it also records your IP address. I double check all IP addresses to make sure there is no duplicates. Yes this topic was intended to tell people about a cause that I have begun, and it has come up with good conversation about food and drink prices. I do hope this is carrying weight and with help toward the cause, However the point gets out is a help. I believe in fighting for things you think that are wrong and what they are charging is just that. So I will continue my fight in many ways. Calling the park, writing the park as well keeping the conversations going about high food prices.

*** Edited 7/17/2007 11:22:19 PM UTC by coasterxtreme72*** *** Edited 7/17/2007 11:28:19 PM UTC by coasterxtreme72***

Then what does that have to do with being a salary worker doing free overtime? That's an HR and training problem. It has nothing to do with "the problem."

I think he was emphasizing passion and/or pride in a job, or for a company in that you would go the extra mile even when not asked. I know along my own path I have worked for one company in particular where I stayed longer, etc, simply because I wanted to help the business, and not for any personal/financial gain.

Good Grief... said:
...but I feel that if all Americans had the work ethic they had, say 50 years ago, we as a nation would be stonger.

Where has that gotten us? We take less vacation than almost every single industrialized nation in the world. Even the Japanese take off more time, despite the stereotype of being harder workers (which I believe is mistaken for working smarter, not harder).

Mike is right, when you look at the data, and you see we're not ahead in so many areas, working "more" does not help. Working "better" does.

You misinterpreted my example. I've said this already, but I'll try to clarify again. The one person said she doesn't "hustle" at work to get the line to move faster because she doesn't get rewarded financially. I said that was a poor work ethic, as I'm sure most people would agree. I used my current situation as an example - NOT an apples to apples thing. Obviously I don't serve food to people in my current job. But, my "hustle" at work would be to put in extra time to get something specific done if need be and not whine about it "not being my job" or "I don't get paid enough to do that".

I never said I work 60-70 hours a week every single week because I like to "work hard".

I agree with you that working "better" is good. In the girl's case, working "better" would be to hustle around the food stand and serve people as efficiently as she possibly can. From her post, she obviously does the opposite.

And if she did, she may get recognized by a supervisor, get recommended for a "better" job, and get to enjoy the perks of working "better" instead of "harder", because she might be recognized as a valuable person to hold onto.

And, her customers would be happier.

And then threads like this may not pop up so often.

You don't just happen to land a nice cushy job where you can set your own hours, work contracts, and have a high demand set on your time unless you're lucky enough to be born into extreme wealth, and even then it's not always a given.

I would assume, Jeff, that you spent much time busting your own butt to get where you are, and that it lead to your position today. I can relate to that, it sounds like Tim can relate to that, and it really (to me) does go back to that classic "working-hard-gets-you-to-success" mentality.

That said, Jeff, you do make an excellent point in that many people do not work hard and smarter at the same time. If you dont have a goal or plan for something better, youre just working harder for the sake of, well...someone else.

Actually, no, I wouldn't say that I've worked particularly hard. If I did, I'd likely have hit that millionaire mark by now. I do as little as possible to achieve wealth, and if it doesn't feed the soul, I simply don't do it. I firmly believe in not only working "better," but "smarter." I wrote a book knowing I'd get paid very little for it, but that in the long run it would let me write my own ticket when it came to future gigs. I worked smart on that, not hard.