With the news of the Six Flags growth, and with CP's coaster record on the line. Do you think CP should put the Board walk project on hold and maybe adding more rides? and Do you think letting Jungle Larry's go and closing Oceanna was a mistake for CP now that Six Flags is keeping all the animal and marine life?
CP is not being challenged by Six Flags Ohio. Even with the new addition, coaster, and name SFO still has along way to go until they catch up with CP. And the only place that is challenging CP's coater record is over at Six Flags Magic Mountin in California. There is no need to worry. CP will survive anything that another ammusment park or resort could throw at it because it is a better overall park than any other park out there.
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Monster Ride Host for 2 Years
3 Years Total @ CP
I have to disagree..Six Flags is a challenge for CP in some sort of ways..it will keep them on their toes for one..which will make CP a better park year after year. As I stated before compettiotion is good that close together, makes each park come up with new and better things. As far as Oceanna closing..it didnt have the buisness (I feel it didnt) to make a diffence. I think the boardwalk would be the way to go if its planned right. I would prefer more rides at this point then just one coaster, well unless that coaster happened to be a LIM launch that is.
I want a Boardwalk, and maybe a good woodie to add to the "classic boardwalk feel".
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*Dude, Where's my car?*
I'm thinking that whats going to happen in 2002 is already set in stone.
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2001 park line up:
Las Vegas Jan. 3rd-7th
(other parks N/A as of Dec. 28th)
You guys need to stop jumping to CP's side every single time a big announcement is made by another park. CP is not invulnerable. CP is obviously in trouble if they don't do something soon. Yes, every coaster enthusiast (like you and me) will still want to go to Cedar Point each year and support them in every decision they make, but if they allow other parks to get ahead in the next few years it may be very difficult for CP to catch up in the future. I realize Cedar Point is in *no sudden danger*, but 5 to 10 years from now SFWOA could begin to look a lot better to the general public. With a few advertsing dollars and a brilliant representation on TV in a few different states surrounding Ohio may have many convinced there is a brand new park that offers everything within a 4 hour drive. We are talking a 3D movie, simulators, rollercoasters, shows, and all the general rides you would expect at a great park. It is starting to sound a lot like a huge theme park, especially with the possible future attractions they announced along with continued rollercoaster additions. I will tell you now that if Cedar Point puts in Lighthouse Point this year, the boardwalk project next year, and continues to make aesthetic changes without large rollercoaster debuts, SFWOA will jump ahead of the competition. Now I will just sit here and endure the bashing from all my fellow CP fanatics. :)
I still have to agree with Jeff and his editorial over on Coasterbuzz.com
SFWOA won't "overtake" CP untill they get thier employee issues taken care of. People don't want to go to a place where they are treated like garbage, reguardless of what kind of rides they have.
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
superdisk, you do realize you're at a Cedar Point discussion board don't you? I have a feeling that a lot more people that post on here will have a biast towards CP.
I realize that everyone here is bias towards CP, and I am one of them, I love the park, the people, and the rides. However, I just don't understand why everyone keeps saying that CP has absolutely no need to worry. Considering the potential that the new SFWOA park has, there is plenty to worry about in the coming years. Sure CP is way ahead right now, but to most people BKF, Superman, Villian, Big Dipper, and most likely the new XFlight are top notch rollercoasters. Do you think many people (other than rollercoaster enthusiasts) believe there is any *big* difference between these rollercoasters and the ones that CP has to offer (in fact some are better)? And with a couple more years of additions (possibly a megacoaster) will there be any difference to the average park visitor? And if the only thing the people are complaining about is the poor management and poor customer care then there is even more reason to be worried. That one problem can be fixed and as the park becomes larger, this problem may become solved on its own.
Hey, I want to see Cedar Point do as well as the rest of you do. I just think that it can't be done without a little work and some impressive new plans. We just have to pray that Six Flags doesn't decide to spend another $40 million on SFWOA next year. I think we all know that it could happen.
And it more then likely will. But the history of the park is another aspect. Grandparents take their grandchildren to CP to reminis about the days past and yet still have a day full of excitement. SFWtNi(Whatever the Name is) was built over night and has changed it's name twice in the past year. I don't think that two many memories of generations past can be spent there with that nastalgic touch that CP has.
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"Your obssesed w/ that place aren't you?"
If rollercoasters were the sole determination of whether the Smith family goes to Six Flags or Cedar Point, yes, GL/SFO/SFWOA would be a serious threat. I've been to Six Flags Ohio. I didn't feel that it offered as good a value for my dollar as did Cedar Point, and the other members of my party felt the same way. We don't look solely at coasters as the determing factor of whether a park is good or not; we also look at ambience, theming, employees, quality and cost of food, quality and cost of souvenirs, accessability of attractions, layout, landscaping... the list goes on. And SFO came up short. In the next few years, SFO will no doubt see increasing attendance, but the tale will be told starting in oh 5 years or so, that's when you would want to start looking at attendance numbers. Also, keep in mind that SF's five year plan is just that... a plan. Five years AGO, their five year plan involved a park named Geauga Lake that did not include Sea World. Plans change. And not always for the better.
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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
--Fran Lebowitz
Well said slithernoggin. When I brought up the topic above I was just trying to point out that Cedar Point is not invulnerable as many may seem to think. I would choose to go to Cedar Point any day over SFWOA and so would the rest of my family and friends. I just think that it is possible that many years down the road SFWOA could start to steal away some of the attention. One of the main arguments about SFMM's new attractions affecting CP's attendance is that it is so far away and they do not share the same target audience (which I totally agree with). However, what happens if SF ever decided to turn SFWOA into the next SFMM?
"However, what happens if SF ever decided to turn SFWOA into the next SFMM"?
Um, oh, I don't know, maybe Ohio would be blessed with mega parks that people all over the country would envy? Perhaps two parks with over 20 rollercoasters? Just maybe the best park in the world(CP), as well as one that is the largest of it's kind in the US(SFWOA)?
And you guys say you aren't spoiled. You actually have the luxury of pitting two parks against each other(which no one does better than Cedar Point fans), while other people are lucky if they have one park within driving distance.
I just don't get you guys. What's wrong with going to Cedar Point for all around excellence, and going to SF to ride some great coasters? Neither one is going anywhere anytime soon, so I don't see what all the fuss is about. You go out to a nice resteraunt when you want class, you go to MacDonalds when you want a quick treat that isn't all that great for you, but serves a purpose none-the-less. Both co-exist sucessfully because there is a need for both. It's as simple as that.
BTW, Knott's Berry Farm and Magic Mountain have co-existed for years. One gets the rave reviews, the other builds big coasters. They're doing just fine.
*** This post was edited by Judge Roy Scream on 2/12/2001. ***
I am glad Jungle Larry's is gone. I felt so bad for those animals in tiny enclosures listiening to Corkscrew screams all day. Sea World might have been the exception because of their conservation efforts, but I just don't like seeing marine animals performing tricks. So Oceana being gone does not bother me.
I just want CP to utilize the proposed boardwalk area better, but it doesn't have to have that feel. Just put in some coasters and a few flat rides and all will be good...maybe a nice beachfront restaurant as well.