Badnitrus animation

OZZGOOD4ME said:
Jeff said:
Sounds a bit contradictory.

Regardless of any commercial use or cost involved, copyright is copyright, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if it's something you pay for or not. Do you think I wouldn't sue you for every dime you had if you mirrored this entire site?

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
"The world rotates to The Ultra-Heavy Beat!" - KMFDM

I don't mean to suck. . .but I have a brand new computer, running XP, and for some reason, when I try to watch either version of the 'free' video, I can't see it! When I try the Windows Media one, just the sound plays, but no video. . .any computer smarty pants know what's the deal? (I was able to watch all the CP TTD videos. . .so I don't understand.)

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You Suck! j/k lol!

Incredible!!! It was the best animation I've ever seen, wow :)

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Oh and yes, I realize disaster is spelled wrong in my name, too late to change it now, *sniff*

its Disaster Transport

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- Dennis
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If I may make a suggestion...

Jeff, you could offer non-members a one-time download of the high-res video for $1.00.

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"Millennium Force, the Future is riding on it."
Now, Cedar Point is "Bulding for the future."
Coincidence?

You guys are so funny. Is it really going to change your life to see the high-resolution video? If you want to see it so bad, join the club, and get the video, plus the other benefits. Seriously. Think about AIDS. And Iraq. There are better things to freak out about. ;)

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Jeff said:

Regardless of any commercial use or cost involved, copyright is copyright, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if it's something you pay for or not.

Jeff, not to be a thorn in your side, but it does matter if it's media that is free or pay. You'd win for something available as a club member, since you can claim loss of profits due to people not paying for the memberships. Are you also implying that you would sue if the low-res video was put on Kazaa? You may be able to sue for someone for that, but you would almost certainly lose, since you could not prove any damages occured. You did not lose money, no one lost money...unless people start charging for it. The ad revenue lost is a dead end argument, since the actual pop-up with the video can be linked directly, and contains no ads.

Cloning the site is a different entity entirely: You lose ad revenue, and someone else could gain it. However, someone is within their legal rights to clone the site to store locally, as long as they don't publicly put it out for use and personal or professional gain.

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Jman
Webmaster, Gravibulb Coasters
http://balder.prohosting.com/gravbulb/coasters/
*** This post was edited by Jman 3/14/2003 4:20:23 AM ***

What part of you don't own the copyright to the video don't you understand?

In fact, JEFF doesn't own it. It's owned by the people over at Badnitrus who gave Jeff permission to offer it here.

You are trying to turn a copyright issue into a "jeff just wants to make money" issue, which is not the case.

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Honestly i think the low resolution video is good enough! I think if i watched the high res. one that i would probably fall out of my chair. and jeff I think is doing the right thing by only letting coasterbuzz club members watch the high one. Just be happy you got to see such an awsome video in the first place!

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blasting off in 50 days...........

dont bother

Don't feed the trolls.

Badnitrus,

I have said this to you before. You're the man, when it comes to this animation stuff.
I can't believe how real it looks.
They haven't even sent a train down the track yet and we have near perfect video of the thing.

Amazing !!!

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Whether it's to control bandwidth, or for financial gain, or if it's so the current CoasterBuzz Club members can feel they're getting something extra out of their current memberships, or if it's Badnitrus's decision, or if little elves came and told him to do it this way, or whatever, the reason doesn't matter.

What matters is there's copyright attached to it, and the copyright holder has the right to dictate how their work is distributed.

Period.

And since Jeff has rights to distribute it (and I'm imagining it's in whatever fashion he sees fit) then the same rights occur with him, with the exception that he cannot change the material in the video unless allowed to do so by Badnitrus, as Badnitrus is the copyright holder.

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You know there's nothing good on TV when you're desperate enough to specifically look for infomercials.

Jman said:
Jeff, not to be a thorn in your side, but it does matter if it's media that is free or pay...

I'm sorry, how many years have you dealt with intellectual property law? It has been a part of my expertise for more than a decade. Material gain has zero to do with copyright, period. Read the case law. You have copyright, and the right to enforce it, the very moment any media is created. It's that simple. It's IP law 101.

And yes, Keith is the copyright holder, and has granted license to me to distribute it in return for free hosting.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
"The world rotates to The Ultra-Heavy Beat!" - KMFDM

I remember when Badnitrus was a member of this site and used to post here. He made the video animation of Millenium Force and it was great and he posted it here. Where has Badnitrus gone, and I still dont understand why he doesnt want EVERYONE to see his great work.

and FREAKY, dont call me a troll ive been on these boards as long as you have.

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CP4ME
*** This post was edited by OZZGOOD4ME 3/14/2003 3:40:38 PM ***

Just out of curiousity, you say that the Hi-Res version is limited to club members only, due to bandwidth limitations.

What would the stance be if a download mirror was offered at no charge, with no bandwidth concerns? Providing the copyright owner gave said permission for distribution of the Hi-Res version?

At either rate, I am still happy to see the Low-Res version, and am sure I will see the Hi-Res version eventually....

I'm not going to get into the copyright/bandwidth argument. But anyways, the animation is created with 3D Studio Max by Discreet and will run you about $3,495.00. No, you cannot just 'get' it anywhere. It takes years to figure out and master and isn't your ordinary coaster simulation game.

That's why it pays to be a student and get major software discounts available to myself. I've already purchased Windows software, as well as Adobe. And I'm signed up to take classes which teach this kind of modeling. Makes me smile!

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That animation was THE best animation I have seen by Badnitrus yet. It even shows how the launch mechanisms are set up. I am always impressed by the renderings on the site.

Grue, that's up to Badnitrus.

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17 straight years of real thrills and counting...
You know there's nothing good on TV when you're desperate enough to specifically look for infomercials.

You can buy Max from discrete for under $500 if you can prove that you are a "student." Same with Rhino ($200) and many other professional programs. I plan on buying Rhino in the near future because of the reduced cost.

**edit** Didn't see Brian Short's post before, but the above still applies.

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