1-1.5 G's, should I be disapointed?
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Florida may have Disneyworld and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!
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Ride Operations here I come.
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Matt - '02-'03 WT crew
Guest- "Are the towers supposed to move??" Me- "No, I just sit in a chair underneath it all day long, hoping it collapses on my head."
*** This post was edited by Mathew 2/25/2003 3:58:37 PM ***
It's a roller coaster in the end...you know ...fun!
Superman The Escape was not designed to awe fans with a great launch. The idea was to build the tallest, and fastest ride-The first ride that went 100 MPH. Did they accomplish their goal? Hell Yes.
The ride was built about 7 years ago (1996-it was originally supposed to open that summer but delayed because of problems, of course), and it has taken a long time for other parks to beat the 100 MPH speed, and 415 foot height. TTD is the only other ride to have even attempetd to reach past 400 feet. No the launch is not great, but would i mark the ride as an accomplishment in roller coaster history? Most Definitly, Yes.
If you have ever been on the ride, there are these elements, that when i still ride, find fascinating.
-Decent launch to start, but slow acceleration. I think it is cool though, how you can hear the car speeding up as you go down the straightaway, and hit 100 MPH. You are FLYING down that track when you hit 100 MPH, and when your going that fast past the trees and magnet stations in the center of the track, it's like nothing else.
-The turn to vertical, i think is probably one of the best parts in the ride. You can feel the speed in your stomach, and on your body as you make 90 degree ascent.
-The vertical ride up the tower is cool, because if you look to the sides, you can see for miles, and when you stop and start to drop, if your not plastered down to the seat, you feel weightless for the entire fall back down the tower, and i find this part thrilling as well.
-The fall backwards to horizontal, is not as good as the ascent, but its okay, and the ride backward to the station is, well, a ride backward.
Like i said, its not the most intense ride in the world, but that was not its intention. It was built to be the worlds tallest, worlds fastest ride, and thats exactly what it has been for 7 years. So please, stop bagging on Superman The Escape, because although its not the greatest ride in the world, I would call it a big success in roller coaster history, and motivation for other parks to pick up the pace.
Congratulations to Cedar Point, for finally catching up with the 100 MPH, 400 feet tall crowd.
Its about time, sheesh.
Congratulations to Cedar Point, for finally catching up with the 100 MPH, 400 feet tall crowd. Its about time, sheesh.
If you've noticed a trend Cedar Point has concerning roller coasters, it's that they usually don't have the first of a ride design.
There were inverted coasters before Raptor. There were stand-up coasters before Mantis. There were impulse coasters before Wicked Twister.
But one thing about these rides is when they were made, they kicked the pants off all the others. Most inversions / fastest / tallest / two twisting towers / blah blah. The other thing, though, that occured by waiting was a reduced amount of downtime.
Sure, each ride has its issues, but you don't see the 'sorry, but this ride's delayed until next year' problems occuring. By letting everyone else have the problems, it gives time for the industry to iron out any problems, and for Cedar Point to have an efficient attraction.
Cedar Point is constantly voted most popular park, or cleanest, or etc. People come for the atmosphere, the food, the fun, and the rides. If people were to visit, only to find that the new ride, that's the biggest / fastest / etc. of its kind to be closed due to issues, resulting in a delay of opening, would be devastating to the park. Plus, once the industry learns how their 'prototype' rides operate, they can work on creating a more efficient ride. By allowing Intamin time to create and perfect their impulse coasters, Cedar Point gained the first dual-twisting tower design, along with fastest / tallest / etc. And even though it may go down here and there, it certainly wasn't delayed anything huge.
Cedar Point may not have the first of something, but when they do 'join the club,' boy do they put themselves on top. And when they say the ride opens May 4, it'll open May 4.
Funny you ask us not to put down S:TE at all, but yet you put down Cedar Point.
Beating the straw man.
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17 straight years of real thrills and counting...
You know there's nothing good on TV when you're desperate enough to specifically look for infomercials.
[Edit - I was actually defending his post on S:TE. I pulled it after reading his other posts.]
*** This post was edited by TekGuy 2/27/2003 2:58:37 AM ***
So please, stop bagging on Superman The Escape, because although its not the greatest ride in the world, I would call it a big success in roller coaster history, and motivation for other parks to pick up the pace.
Oh please...You can't make anyone respect a ride. If someone thinks it sucks or doesn't fit *their* needs, that's their right. Second, It definitely took it awhile to be a success seeing as it opened a *year* late.....
steelrider33 also wrote:
OMG....Like there are several other *100 mph* and *400* foot tall coasters. *Rollin Eyes*
Congratulations to Cedar Point, for finally catching up with the 100 MPH, 400 feet tall crowd.
Yes, CP does beat the pants off other coasters....BUT IT TOOK THEM 5 YEARS! In five years, another ride will domniate TTD. And it will start over again.
Obviously, you need to re-read your previous posts.......
Several other? 100 MPH, Maybe 4. Name the SEVERAL 400 foot rides, please.
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Enjoy your ride on the Big Bad Bug
mantis_man said:
about this whole Superman the Escape deal, tell me any time you've seen that car go over the 400 foot mark and then it'll be in the "400 foot club".------------------
Enjoy your ride on the Big Bad Bug
I agree with you 100% Mantis-man!!
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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here. - Jack Nicholson
BUT IT TOOK THEM 5 YEARS!
Good things come to those who wait.
In five years, another ride will domniate TTD. And it will start over again.
And your point? I think Gemini / Magnum / Raptor / Millennium Force are still great rides, even though there are now taller / faster / whatever around. Search for my post on how fun a ride can be, even if it's no longer the biggest / best... it's around here somewhere... I think in the Dragster forum.
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Perhaps you don't see what I mean by 'beating the straw man.' In the world of debating, the only way to win is by using facts to back your side of the story. Some people, when they don't have any facts, or very few facts, will start 'bashing' the other side to make it look bad by taking what the opposing side has said, slightly restating it, and then calling it wrong. This is called 'beating the straw man.'
See the results of this Google search for more examples.
You come here, a CP site, and post about how S:TE beats the pants off Dragster, and expect us to be cool about it. You then ask that we don't put down S:TE, but you continually put down CP using the straw man method.
I have now found discussing things with you a complete waste of my time, resources, and bandwidth. Goodbye.
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17 straight years of real thrills and counting...
You know there's nothing good on TV when you're desperate enough to specifically look for infomercials.
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*** This post was edited by TekGuy 3/3/2003 12:25:11 PM ***
"There were inverted coasters before Raptor. There were stand-up coasters before Mantis. There were impulse coasters before Wicked Twister.But one thing about these rides is when they were made, they kicked the pants off all the others. Most inversions / fastest / tallest / two twisting towers / blah blah. The other thing, though, that occured by waiting was a reduced amount of downtime."
Let's see you also said
"I think Gemini / Magnum / Raptor / Millennium Force are still great rides, even though there are now taller / faster / whatever around. Search for my post on how fun a ride can be, even if it's no longer the biggest / best... it's around here somewhere... I think in the Dragster forum.
Okay, IMO, this completely invalidates the first part of the fist quoted item (the "kicked the pants" crack). If a ride is good, then it is good, period. CP gained no advantage by waiting. Simply because Raptor is longer/faster/loopier blah, blah blah than B:TR does not automatically make it *better*. Montu eclisped Raptor in all tangible stats. Does Raptor suck now?
Now for the second part about the "downtime". There *have* been coasters that have had serious issues, S:TE, Deja Vu and B&R:TC to name a few. But you specifically call out Mantis, Raptor, and WT as having less downtime than there predessors. I believe this to be false. I do not recall ANY problems resulting in significant downtime in either Iron Wolf or B:TR @ SFGAm. Moreover, I'd wager that WT had more downtime than S:UE @ SFWoA, comparing opening years.. I invite you to show me any evidence (even anecdotal) that Iron Wolf, B:TR or S:UE (heck even Liner Gale) had more downtime than Mantis, Raptor, or WT respectively.
Finally, you stated
"Perhaps you don't see what I mean by 'beating the straw man.' In the world of debating, the only way to win is by using facts to back your side of the story."
While I am in general 'agreeance' (sic, TM Fred Durst) with the above statement, I do not see how it pertains to the instant discussion. What you have proffered are not facts, but your relative opinions. The only thing that was a fact (that the CP surpassed the stats of the older coasters) was invalidated by you later by saying that doesn't make a ride less great.
Personally, I do not find your arguments persuasive.
lata, jeremy
--let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay (James 5:12)
Oh no TekGuy, you cannot run away now.
Call it running, call it leaving, call it losing... I do not have time for this.
You see, you've opened yourself up, so now you have to take it.
Whoopie.
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There's a difference between a debate, and wanting to come out on top, a.k.a. pissing contest.
And I certainly can't afford to divert part of my limited resources to taking part in the latter. If I don't come out on top, it's no big deal. And if it means that some will take this as me 'losing,' so be it.
BTW, if anyone else wants to pull up some statistics and prove anything I've said wrong, go for it. I think it'd be quite interesting to see.
And if CP has had more downtime on comparable rides between other parks, then that's fine. And if I'm proven wrong by statistics, then I'm wrong. And life goes on.
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17 straight years of real thrills and counting...
You know there's nothing good on TV when you're desperate enough to specifically look for infomercials.
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